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Our district has immersion classes, but they are all day, IIRC. The immersion classes themselves are limited in capacity. In the past our district has indicated their disdain for home schooling students. They act as if we are hurting them in some way. Perhaps in terms of numbers, but we pay full school taxes and get nothing back for our kids. They won't even let us borrow textbooks. It's not a tremendous loss, given their State academic ratings were generally in the "C" range before the State removed letter grades from schools this year.


I don’t how schools are funded where you are, but here in Commiefornia there are two models. If the property taxes are high enough, the schools may be funded with “Basic Aid”, a percentage of the property tax regardless of the number of kids at the school. If the property tax base isn’t high enough, they get paid based on attendance. The schools in the latter group get really pissy about parents pulling kids out for any reason and those districts are not at all supportive of competing school choices. Districts funded by “Basic Aid” seem to be much more amenable to private schools and home schooling. Go figure, every kid taken out gives the more per capita to spend on those remaining.
 
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Duolingo is useful. I also suggest getting tutors who were teachers in the languages, if possible.

(IOW, get someone who can teach Spanish/German/etc, formally. More than just immersion, they can go through a normal youth education in that language, and learn subjects/predicates/etc.)

Now, at the risk of sounding rather politically incorrect...

Spanish is useful, if you're planning a life of dealing with laborers. Otherwise, frankly, every educated person in a Spanish-speaking country, by the time they grow up, will speak very fluent English.

Even in Europe, for the most part, English is becoming the contract and business language, as its simpler than getting a contract in German and French to mean the same thing.

HOWEVER, if the kids look Germanic, and have a Germanic last name, there will be an element in Germanic countries which will expect them to speak German - same in Italy, and probably France.

I think, once they grow up, there will be a lot of opportunity in Russia, and it's a language which is very complicated, and must be spoken perfectly, to be comprehensible.

China will either have imploded, or be doing exceptionally well - but there is a strong chance of implosion, IMO.

Japan will be all but died out*. Either they will pull off their attempt at automating everything, to try to keep their economy going, or they will be floundering.

*The US and Europe will be in similarly bad shape. No idea what the US will be like once it's no longer a WASP nation...
 
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Can't speak to home schooling language training. But when we were in Germany our daughter learned English from playing with kids in the dependent housing area. She spoke German fluently as a toddler. Came from living with her grandparents while I was in Iran. I found it amusing to watch the kids playing together in the playground, mixture of English and German languages.

I see Hispanic families all the time around here, and it is amusing to watch the kids acting as interpreters for their parents. Some seem to be as young as 4-6 years old.


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All of the above; immersion is the key. Living in the countries seemed to work wonderfully well. In Spain we had a couple of nuns who actually volunteered to come to our house and tutor us (in exchange for English lessons!), which was tremendously helpful with the local dialect, of which there are many, and we became close friends; they came every week, and we had lessons and then dinner together. We were actually invited to a magnificent dinner in the convent when the Mother Superior paid a visit (more her honor than ours I expect), and I was told later I was the first male to be invited since the 12th century (a closed Order, and we're not Catholic). We never found out who they had to ask. We made a couple of guided pilgrimages to Lourdes with a really hilarious little Spanish priest who spoke at least ten languages fluently, and became a closer part of the community. I hope your children get a chance to travel and use their gift as my daughter did. Yo soy Zaragozano.



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Duolingo is useful. I also suggest getting tutors who were teachers in the languages, if possible.

(IOW, get someone who can teach Spanish/German/etc, formally. More than just immersion, they can go through a normal youth education in that language, and learn subjects/predicates/etc.)

Now, at the risk of sounding rather politically incorrect...

Spanish is useful, if you're planning a life of dealing with laborers. Otherwise, frankly, every educated person in a Spanish-speaking country, by the time they grow up, will speak very fluent English.

Even in Europe, for the most part, English is becoming the contract and business language, as its simpler than getting a contract in German and French to mean the same thing.

HOWEVER, if the kids look Germanic, and have a Germanic last name, there will be an element in Germanic countries which will expect them to speak German - same in Italy, and probably France.

I think, once they grow up, there will be a lot of opportunity in Russia, and it's a language which is very complicated, and must be spoken perfectly, to be comprehensible.

China will either have imploded, or be doing exceptionally well - but there is a strong chance of implosion, IMO.

Japan will be all but died out*. Either they will pull off their attempt at automating everything, to try to keep their economy going, or they will be floundering.

*The US and Europe will be in similarly bad shape. No idea what the US will be like once it's no longer a WASP nation...


I don’t necessarily think you’re being politically incorrect.
The idea behind teaching a second language isn’t always about the second language itself: it broadens the mind to other cultures and other ways of thinking. I’m sure there are those that can express it better than I, but my idea behind putting my kid in immersion wasn’t just to teach him another language, it was to teach him that there is a big wide world out there where many people communicate in many ways, think in ways foreign to us, and I’m also hoping it will make learning more languages easier.

I’m hoping he will become fluent in at least 3 or 4. I remember traveling across Europe as a girl (decades ago) and running into Scandinavian kids who knew 3 languages without question out of high school. And feeling ashamed that I only knew 2, and I was already in college.
Yes, English was spoken almost everywhere I went. Nonetheless, people are more comfortable speaking in their native tongue. If I’m the guest in the country, I’d like to do anything to feel more accepted. It starts with a few simple courtesy words in the local lingo, imho. Then they know you’re trying.


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The click is when You stop translating un your head back And forth from your native language to the one You are learning And You start Thinking in different languages, no more translations.
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All of the above; immersion is the key. Living in the countries seemed to work wonderfully well. In Spain we had a couple of nuns who actually volunteered to come to our house and tutor us (in exchange for English lessons!), which was tremendously helpful with the local dialect, of which there are many, and we became close friends; they came every week, and we had lessons and then dinner together. We were actually invited to a magnificent dinner in the convent when the Mother Superior paid a visit (more her honor than ours I expect), and I was told later I was the first male to be invited since the 12th century (a closed Order, and we're not Catholic). We never found out who they had to ask. We made a couple of guided pilgrimages to Lourdes with a really hilarious little Spanish priest who spoke at least ten languages fluently, and became a closer part of the community. I hope your children get a chance to travel and use their gift as my daughter did. Yo soy Zaragozano.

I don't think you have to travel anymore to have that happen. You can even order Chinese at Panda Express in Spanish Wink
 
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