Ultimately it didn't matter.

Well Georgia managed to beat both Alabama and the refs.

It was clearly a fumble, as there was zero control of the ball as his hand came forward. In other words, just because his hand was moving forward doesn't mean it was a pass. Plenty of good, slow motion video that clearly showed that. Likewise, it was a fumble recovery as the player controled the ball with a foot still inbounds.

And I am an unbiased observer.

The ball went the direction he threw it which shows he still had a modicum of control. By "direction he threw it", I don't mean direction he intended, but rather the direction his arm moved as his arm moved forward while he was being tackled. Looking at the video above at about the 1:07 mark, his arm moves forward and the ball follows the same path his arm travels.

Not that it matters, but the ball made forward progress due to his intentional arm motion, imo it was an incomplete pass.

In the first quarter they ruled this in the opposite manner but again, in Alabama's favor. "His arm was moving forward so it was a incomplete pass"

it was no doubt a fumble, the refs said so and that's how it will go in the books
hate that the tide lost, but it was a good game
congratulations to the dawgs, see you next year

So if it had been a Georgia player that pulled it in with one foot almost out of bounds, they would have still called it a fumble?

That's a bunch of horse shit.

I literally have ZERO horses in this race, but if that ball had bounced, like it did, and a Georgia player picked it up and ran it down to the end zone, every person on this planet would have said that it was an incomplete pass because of the literal physics of the play.

Forward ball motion, bounce on the ground, offensive player recovers it and scores.

*WHISTLE* incomplete pass because the ball hit the ground.

But sure, let's keep dreaming that it was a fumble.

So glad this didn't determine the outcome but NO DOUBT it was an incomplete pass.

I would not have called it a fumble on the field. Then it probably would have stood that way, as well.

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Not even the player who recovered the ball thought he made a game changing play.

Because it was an incomplete pass.

Thousands of hours drilling, hundreds of games, thousands of minutes of game videos and homework, and the guy's brain knew it was an incomplete pass when he picked up the ball and stepped out of bounds.

Every fiber of every player on that field, as the play unfolded, reacted to it as though it was an incomplete pass. It was only when any of those humans noticed the possession beanbag come out that they started to stretch their mental gymnasts to the notion that they could potentially argue their way to something out of nothing.

Reviewed for 10 minutes, couldn't overturn the call on the field, so apparently it was a fumble.

Congrats to Kirby Smart and the GA Dawgs on their championship! First in 41 years, good for them.

I too wish it hadn't come against Alabama but at least it was a very competitive game and very tight for about 55 minutes. GA found their D mojo and the Tide O line couldn't protect Young enough to throw the ball or clear them out enough to let Robinson run. GA D earned that best in the nation tag they'd been carrying all year last night.

Roll Tide! Maybe next year

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Originally posted by Veeper:
Not that it matters, but the ball made forward progress due to his intentional arm motion, imo it was an incomplete pass.

This seems to me to be the right way to see it.

And I don't care one bit which team won.

How could it be propelled 7 yards forward if it wasn't thrown?

I really did not care who won. The receiver injury did AL. in imho.
I thought a critical non call late in the game with it still in the balance was the no call on the lineman than piled on the AL. linebacker and hurt him long after the play had ended. And the official was standing right there. That a blatant foul. And at a critical point in the 4th qtr.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
Not that it matters, but the ball made forward progress due to his intentional arm motion, imo it was an incomplete pass.

agree

gladly in the end it didn't matter

(completely neutral observer for this game)

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The ball went yards in the direction of arm movement. Incomplete pass. Refs make mistakes. And sometimes other refs back-up their mistakes.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
The ball went yards in the direction of arm movement. Incomplete pass. Refs make mistakes. And sometimes other refs back-up their mistakes.

that's whats so funny about 'instant replay'. didn't do much to eliminate bad calls IMO. in some ways made it worse because at least before we could blame 'human error' in the split second calls.

now its like WTF ???

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I don't get how this is even a question. How could the ball move forward many yards without forward motion? I didn't have a dog in this hunt, but that was a poor call by refs.

Jim