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Originally posted by Muddflap:
John Steed carried an umbrella.

With a sword in it.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Muddflap:
John Steed carried an umbrella.

With a sword in it.

That's true. I had forgotten that.

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Originally posted by SigLaw:
Based on the signs I saw last week at Windsor Castle, you can carry a non-locking knife with a blade less than 3 inches. ☹️

That would be a letter opener.

This is what happens in countries where boys grow up not at least being somewhat familiar with some types of weapons. American boys such as me and ALL of my friends watched those Cowboys shoot those Indians every Saturday. We became very familiar with different types of guns. All those war movies helped too. Thank God we all grew up with guns. My uncle took his 45 Long Colt to school every day. It stayed with him all of his 35 years on the Tennessee Highway Patrol. That is just one of the millions of reasons that we are not speaking German today. Europe is gone unless they grow a set. But today the soccer mons don't want little Johnny playing with guns. I had relatives that fought from Shiloh to the Pacific to France. We owe them our freedom. Hell-I served over 40 years myself and would do it again. And remember if you can read this thank a teacher-if its in English thank a vet. Rant over. JM2CW

This makes me sick.

73 years ago D-Day happened, from an island fortress and spearheaded by the US, Britain, Canada and allies.

Now only one nation stands against evil, and only 51% of that nation at that.

If I ever go back to Europe, I'd bring along one of these:

http://unbreakableumbrella.com

 
A Canemasters Cane can go anywhere, and offers you many self-defense features.
 

Balze' thanks for posting that. Very informative, and consistent with my perception of UK police and UK public attitudes towards firearms. I once showed a visiting UK officer around our unit. He told me he had never fired a gun, and wouldn't want to carry one. He said he would be afraid someone would take it away from him and hurt him with it. Watching the news coverage after each UK terrorist attack, and noting the particular words, phrases and tone used by police, the media, witnesses and surviving victims to describe the incident, has lead me to believe that citizens there are almost as distressed at the thought or sight of a firearm as they are about the attack itself. After the attacks they do put together some very nice memorials though, with all the flowers and balloons. That is, soon as the dead and wounded have been removed, evidence collected, and blood hosed off.....

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When I joined the service I resolved that if I was ever required to carry a gun, I would leave

I don't get that at all. Some things leave you just dumbfounded. That does it for me.

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Now only one nation stands against evil, and only 51% of that nation at that.

That jolted me. It's true.

I believe that anything that you might carry as a self defense implement would be considered an offensive weapon and confiscated or you'd be charged for using it.

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Originally posted by Fenris:
As Tac has advised us you can't carry or use a gun for self-defense in England.

Not 100% accurate. They most assuredly 'can' carry and use a gun for self-defense, but they will face charges for doing so. However, if the folks in change of jolly ole England don't get their act together pretty quick, my bet is more Brit's are going to start re-thinking that paradigm and are going to err on the side of survival over prosecution. It could get very bloody beyond that point (not that it isn't already).

On a trip to Europe before the recent troubles I brought a pocket sized notepad with some sketches and notes and a hardened pen(one of the ones that actually looks like a pen instead of a weapon with ink in it). Only askance glance was a guard at a security checkpoint at an attraction who looked at it, recognized what it was probably for and informally questioned me about it. Americans are easy to spot there so maybe he figured I wasn't an issue or maybe he didn't feel he had enough but I was allowed in with pen and notebook. Of course I'm not sure how that would go today.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
I thought in another thread someone said ANY type of self-defense is illegal in England.

It is my understanding it's not self-defence that's illegal, per se, but, carrying anything the purpose of which is clearly for self-defence.

I believe it's also illegal to defend yourself when you can otherwise retreat and, when faced with no choice, defend yourself any more vigorously than absolutely necessary.

It's really screwed up, IMO.

I carried a carbon fiber trekking pole with a steel and carbide tip around London and Normandy and no one, including avaitoon theater types said one word about it.

I'm certain that with sufficient force it would penetrate a human body.

The population of England have chosen a path and reap the rewards of that decision.

Strother Martin said it best, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A

GGF

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Arming every single officer is simply impossible.

This. To me this says it all. It speaks volumes about the mindset. Accepting something as impossible, is what makes it impossible.

I remember watching a UK episode of "Cops" a few years ago. Twas London. Bobbies were not only unarmed but when apprehending a suspect, he was placed in the back of their "squad car" without being searched nor cuffed.

Mind boggling the training that it would take to fit them with firearms if they aren't even using the most basic of LEO standards.

I remember an episode of Luther where he seeks out a "gun expert" in the department to explain to him how the gun works and how to disassemble it, etc.

That was extremely odd to me considering he is a detective/inspector. It then occurred to me that British inspectors don't carry guns.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Muddflap:
John Steed carried an umbrella.

With a sword in it.

And an steel lined bowler hat.