Don't forget about spygate in 2008 when the Patriots were filming the Rams walk thru's on the day before the superbowl.
The Rams played the Patriots in the SB in 2002, not 2008. (lost to them again in 2019)
The NFL did not ban the taping/filming of practices until 2006. Prior to that every team in the NFL did it regularly.
Spygate was more about discontent between a coach and a former coordinator than anything else. (Bill Belichick and Eric Mangini)
They filmed hand signals during games and stole defensive signs. It was very much against the rules, which is why they got hit so hard.
Negative. It is NOT illegal in the NFL to steal hand signals or defensive signs. Here is one of hundreds of links explaining this. The NFL fined New England because they continued the filming of practices and games the season after the NFL prohibited it. (2007) The filming and stealing of signs during the years prior had no impact on New Englands success given the fact that all 32 teams did it as a standard practice.
Negative. It is NOT illegal in the NFL to steal hand signals or defensive signs. Here is one of hundreds of links explaining this. The NFL fined New England because they continued the filming of practices and games the season after the NFL prohibited it. (2007) The filming and stealing of signs during the years prior had no impact on New Englands success given the fact that all 32 teams did it as a standard practice.
"What was different with Spygate is that teams had specifically been instructed not to videotape opposing teams’ signals on the sideline during the game, and the Patriots did it anyway.
“It wasn’t getting signals, it was the process of videotaping and using electronic equipment during the game,” Dungy said of the difference between the Patriots and other teams"
Stealing signs vs video of the signs to analyze and steal them.
January 30, 2022, 12:08 PM
chbibc
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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
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Originally posted by chbibc: ^^ If "ifs and buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
Don’t take what I said as anything other than what I said. I’m not trying to hype Brady up or tear him down. I don’t love him or hate him. I’m a football fan, not a team fan or a player fan or a league fan. I truly like the sport. I have as much fun watching pee wee football as I do watching high school, college and NFL. I’m simply pointing out that legacies can get built, and destroyed, on a handful of plays.
All good. And you are correct of course. I also think that what you wrote could pretty much apply to any historic event/occurance in life.
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January 30, 2022, 01:07 PM
Graniteguy
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Originally posted by Ackks:
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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Negative. It is NOT illegal in the NFL to steal hand signals or defensive signs. Here is one of hundreds of links explaining this. The NFL fined New England because they continued the filming of practices and games the season after the NFL prohibited it. (2007) The filming and stealing of signs during the years prior had no impact on New Englands success given the fact that all 32 teams did it as a standard practice.
"What was different with Spygate is that teams had specifically been instructed not to videotape opposing teams’ signals on the sideline during the game, and the Patriots did it anyway.
“It wasn’t getting signals, it was the process of videotaping and using electronic equipment during the game,” Dungy said of the difference between the Patriots and other teams"
Stealing signs vs video of the signs to analyze and steal them.
Correct - that's what was in my post. They continued taping the season after the NFL said to stop. We are on the same page.
January 30, 2022, 01:33 PM
DonDraper
I will wait to hear it from Tom Brady before I believe it
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January 30, 2022, 03:00 PM
1s1k
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Originally posted by DonDraper: I will wait to hear it from Tom Brady before I believe it
Exactly. He's too classy to announce something like that right during the AFC/NFC championship games.
It's funny that all these "credible" news sources jumped on it like it was facts even having him signed to a one day contract with the Patriots so he could retire as a Patriot.
January 30, 2022, 06:16 PM
Ripley
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Originally posted by DonDraper: I will wait to hear it from Tom Brady before I believe it
Me too. IIRC didn't Brady go to TB because they had a solid bunch of receivers? Brady was hamstrung by a diminished crew by the Rams game, particularly with Antonio Brown showing the world his ass. If TB can provide receivers next year, Brady would have good reason to hang in there.
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January 30, 2022, 06:55 PM
Slippery Pete
ETA. DonDraper, looks like you're right.
Apologize for the thread drift.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Slippery Pete,
That's a photoshopped image (if you don't know what that means, it means it's 100% fake). What's your point?
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January 31, 2022, 05:04 AM
Captain Morgan
Hes a great quarterback no doubt. The rule changes in the NFL favor quarterbacks and receivers. He never would have done so well in the seventies.
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January 31, 2022, 06:30 AM
Graniteguy
Correct Captain - but that was half a century ago.
January 31, 2022, 07:55 AM
ss9961
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Originally posted by Captain Morgan: Hes a great quarterback no doubt. The rule changes in the NFL favor quarterbacks and receivers. He never would have done so well in the seventies.
He’s a great quarterback no doubt. In the early 1900’s, there were no helmets or face guards. No roughing the passer penalty either. He never would have done so well back then. Or for that matter, during the Mesozoic era there were dinosaurs. Fucking T-rex would run around and eat all the players. He never would have done so well during the Mesozoic era.
So considering how Brady was aided by NFL rule changes as well as comets and mass extinctions, He really isn’t all that.
January 31, 2022, 08:45 AM
Captain Morgan
Like it or not he was aided by the rule changes. And again he is a great quarterback among his peers, no one else with the same rule changes has done as well as him. If he played in the 70s he would have been on the same level as Bradshaw, Tarkenton and Staubach.
Had he played with other cavemen I am sure he would have been the best caveman there ever was.
Let all Men know thee, but no man know thee thoroughly: Men freely ford that see the shallows. Benjamin Franklin
January 31, 2022, 12:17 PM
Loswsmith
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Originally posted by Captain Morgan: Hes a great quarterback no doubt. The rule changes in the NFL favor quarterbacks and receivers. He never would have done so well in the seventies.
Because, at best, he was two. Still could have QB'd for the Seahawks though.
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