I have no doubt this will be the lead story on all of the MSM channels tonight...

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.co...sion-fatal-shooting/

Police: Homeowner Shoots, Kills Young Man Trying To Force His Way Into House

By Lisa Washington
June 25, 2019 at 12:50 pm

CRESCENT TOWNSHIP (KDKA) — Police say a young man was shot and killed overnight while trying to force his way into a Crescent Township home.

According to Allegheny County Police, officers and paramedics were called to the scene along Starr Road just after midnight.

“I happened to be up watching TV late last night, and I heard what I thought was a gunshot, and I blew it off assuming it couldn’t be gunshot, because we have a very quiet neighborhood,” said Ryan Mann, a neighbor.

Police say it all started a short time before when a 22-year-old man showed up at the house, asking if a specific person was there. The 59-year-old homeowner told the man there was no one there by that name.

“The young man asks for someone named Jamison, who we think might be a former girlfriend,” said Insp. Andrew Schurman, of Allegheny County Police.

The homeowner then shut and locked the door.

Investigators say that’s when the younger man tried to force his way into the home, and the homeowner fired multiple shots, hitting the alleged intruder, who collapsed in the doorway.

“Then, that man, the homeowner, called police. While he was on the phone with 911, the young man on the porch began screaming at the homeowner to open the door and then threatened to kick the door in, and ultimately, did kick the door in, and at that point, the homeowner discharged his firearm,” said Insp. Schurman.

The Allegheny County Medical Examiner’s Office has identified him as 22-year-old Corey Laguardia of Hopewell Township. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

At this time, police say no charges have been filed against the homeowner, who has not been identified.

However, the investigation is ongoing, and police say the Allegheny County District Attorney’s Office will make the final determination when the probe is complete.

“I feel bad for the young man’s family… probably didn’t deserve to die, but under the circumstances, I think the homeowner was justified,” said Mann.

Anyone with information on the incident is asked to call the Allegheny County Police TipLine at 1-833-ALL-TIPS (1-833-255-8477).

Ya don’t kick in doors anytime, anywhere. The kicker got what he deserved. Stupid.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:


The homeowner then shut and locked the door.

Investigators say that’s when the younger man tried to force his way into the home, and the homeowner fired multiple shots, hitting the alleged intruder, who collapsed in the doorway.

So, if I'm reading this right.. the first shots fired by the home owner, were through the closed and locked door? Ouch. We'll see if how the home owner ultimately makes out in this one.

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Originally posted by ARMT Guy:
So, if I'm reading this right.. the first shots fired by the home owner, were through the closed and locked door? Ouch. We'll see if how the home owner ultimately makes out in this one.

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“Then, that man, the homeowner, called police. While he was on the phone with 911, the young man on the porch began screaming at the homeowner to open the door and then threatened to kick the door in, and ultimately, did kick the door in, and at that point, the homeowner discharged his firearm,” said Insp. Schurman.

Not what I gathered, from the bolded section.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:


The homeowner then shut and locked the door.

Investigators say that’s when the younger man tried to force his way into the home, and the homeowner fired multiple shots, hitting the alleged intruder, who collapsed in the doorway.

“Then, that man, the homeowner, called police. While he was on the phone with 911, the young man on the porch began screaming at the homeowner to open the door and then threatened to kick the door in, and ultimately, did kick the door in, and at that point, the homeowner discharged his firearm,” said Insp. Schurman.

According to the article, this is describing the same thing, not two different, one after the other things. So homeowner told guy to leave, he didn't, homeowner called 911, guy tried to force and eventually forced door open and then shot the guy. Sounds like a good shoot if all those facts play out and since it seems like that was all on 911 then it should be a quick resolution.

Fortunately PA follows the Castle doctrine and all the facts thus far appear to indicate a righteous shoot. I no longer care what the Liberal Press say, although too many Americans blindly listen to their crap.

Kicking the door open is a “fire at will” event.

Have a friend who nearly had to shoot 3 x tweakers who were kicking on his well built door. He told them to leave, called the police, then calmly waited for the door to fail. Don’t know if he had a handgun or a rifle, but the second the door would have broken and the stepped across the threshold and they would have been stacked up like cordwood.

It held and they ran off when they heard the sirens.

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Originally posted by Infidel:

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Originally posted by ARMT Guy:
So, if I'm reading this right.. the first shots fired by the home owner, were through the closed and locked door? Ouch. We'll see if how the home owner ultimately makes out in this one.

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“Then, that man, the homeowner, called police. While he was on the phone with 911, the young man on the porch began screaming at the homeowner to open the door and then threatened to kick the door in, and ultimately, did kick the door in, and at that point, the homeowner discharged his firearm,” said Insp. Schurman.

Not what I gathered, from the bolded section.

I got that part. Make perfect sense at that point once forced entry was made.

However, the news story reads, ( to me at least ) that the homeowner shot the person through the door before it was forced open. Once the guy outside the door got back up from being shot initially and actually forced the door open, he then was shot a second time and killed.

Now, we all know that the newsies don't always put out well written stories. This could possibly be the case in this situation, but going by the posted article, the person attempting forced entry was shot on two separate occasions while at the homeowner's residence. The second time he was shot.. he obviously deserved it. The first though, before he'd actually gained entry.. that could get sticky for the homeowner.

given the article there is no way to get a clear understanding of the sequence of events. what moron writes like this.

Count the shots in the 9-11 call, count the empty brass. If they match, it's a righteous shoot.

flashguy

Poor kid probably just wanted to know where dude got his Xmas lights. Which were still hanging. In June. But hey, you gotta shoot a brotha for asking?

Poor "young" man.

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Originally posted by nasig:
given the article there is no way to get a clear understanding of the sequence of events. what moron writes like this.

Modern-day "journalists" <smhs>

We had a very similar home defense shooting here several years ago. A couple was home late in the evening when a young man came to the door, tried to open it, and when he couldn't get in started to shout obscenities while pounding on the door with his fists and then started violently kicking the door. The husband had his wife call 911 while he retrieved his gun. You could plainly hear the shouting and pounding/ kicking of the door on the 911 recording. As the door started to splinter the homeowner fired his gun through the door striking the young man who stumbled back and died in the yard.

There was concern whether the state's Castle Doctrine would apply in this case as the young man never crossed the threshold into the dwelling and the bullet(s) were fired through the door. I seem to recall the DA consulting with other state legal authorities over the question, but ultimately decided that the Castle Doctrine did apply and no charges were filed.

During the investigation it was determined that the young man had recently moved into the area with his family, graduated from a local high school, and as he was a good golfer had taken a caddy job with a local golf course and had just moved into a rental home with friends of his. Apparently he had gone out drinking, and returned to what he thought was his home but had instead confused the homeowner's similar looking house in his neighborhood with his own. Thinking that his roommates were playing a joke on him and intentionally locking him out he started his angry assault that led to his tragic death and the trauma to the couple who went through this. By all accounts he was a good kid who had never been in trouble with the law.

If you read carefully, I don’t think it’s unclear at all. There was one shooting.

The narrative paragraph explaining generally that the deceased was attempting to break in when shot is followed immediately by a quote from the inspector with a more detailed explanation.

There was one shooting.

-Rob

What's all this "young man" horse shit? Just state the Goddamned facts.

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:
If you read carefully, I don’t think it’s unclear at all. There was one shooting.

The narrative paragraph explaining generally that the deceased was attempting to break in when shot is followed immediately by a quote from the inspector with a more detailed explanation.

There was one shooting.

-Rob

Exactly how I read it, too.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

What's all this "young man" horse shit? Just state the Goddamned facts.

Headline of the linked article says "Young Man." Body of the article says that the deceased was 22 years old.

I agree with you; headline would have been better if it had said "Home Invader" instead of "Young Man."

Shooting through a door while it is being kicked in or after is has been kicked in is a fine enough line while sitting in your arm chair reading about it. At night in real time the line gets so fine it almost disappears.

My wife went through something similar to this minus the shooting part. The yelling and banging on the door, the dog barking, the panicked 13 yo son, the 911 operator wanting information.....

While I don't think you should be able to shoot anyone who knock on your door, at some point their behavior should create a presumption of intent to harm.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

What's all this "young man" horse shit? Just state the Goddamned facts.

Headline of the linked article says "Young Man." Body of the article says that the deceased was 22 years old.

I agree with you; headline would have been better if it had said "Home Invader" instead of "Young Man."

The term "young man" is used four separate times in that article.