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Good news for a change! Judge tells prosecutor to pound sand in Rittenhouse case
November 22, 2021, 08:18 AM
ZSMICHAELGood news for a change! Judge tells prosecutor to pound sand in Rittenhouse case
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The militant leftists may be stupid and misguided, but what they are is one thing that we don’t seem to be, and that is organized and highly motivated. If Kyle doesn’t disappear from the public view, he’s likely going to end up murdered, whether it's in Englewood gated community private country club with a walk-on to the back nine or West Shitfuck Nowheresville, USA. It doesn't matter.
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Correct. He needs to follow the Whitey Bulger playbook. Mark Richards,his attorney said Kyle needs to learn to say NO. I agree. Richards went on to comment about how ripe Kyle is for exploitation.
November 22, 2021, 08:28 AM
darthfusterquote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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The militant leftists may be stupid and misguided, but what they are is one thing that we don’t seem to be, and that is organized and highly motivated. If Kyle doesn’t disappear from the public view, he’s likely going to end up murdered, whether it's in Englewood gated community private country club with a walk-on to the back nine or West Shitfuck Nowheresville, USA. It doesn't matter.
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Correct. He needs to follow the Whitey Bulger playbook. Mark Richards,his attorney said Kyle needs to learn to say NO. I agree. Richards went on to comment about how ripe Kyle is for exploitation.
If I were Kyle, I’d lay low and file law suits. He needs those settlements to both build a life and hire protection. The Left is targeting him. They are demonic and smart. Right now he is a vulnerable lamb and they are wolves hiding in the tall grass.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier November 22, 2021, 08:39 AM
Underdogquote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
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Originally posted by Underdog:
I didn’t read your whole post, but I am sure that one, you’re drinking BRCC...
Do yourself a favor and be nice.
Noted sir.
November 22, 2021, 09:09 AM
IronbuttAll I can say is that I pity the next person who has to use lethal force to protect themselves or their family, because the media & the politicians WILL make an example of them. They're not going to let this go away.
Look at them even now. EVEN after all the facts come out & they were proven wrong the media & the politicians are still on the news pushing the same lies.
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November 22, 2021, 09:46 AM
GraniteguyRittenhouse may have something to say about those lies once his attorneys start filing 9-figure defamation and libel suits.
November 22, 2021, 09:56 AM
ensigmaticquote:
Originally posted by Ironbutt:
All I can say is that I pity the next person who has to use lethal force to protect themselves or their family, because the media & the politicians WILL make an example of them.
They may try, but, if the poll about which
rscalzo posted is any guide: They will fail. And in so-failing they will discredit themselves further.
80 percent of Boston Globe readers--both Boston and MA are pretty damn blue, are they not?--agreed with the not guilty verdicts.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher November 22, 2021, 10:11 AM
Ryanp225
November 22, 2021, 10:11 AM
Il CattivoIt's amazing how many shallow as a gob of spit LOONS are parading around trying to tell everyone that this is some sort of punishment for Wisconsin daring to give Rittenhouse a fair trial.
November 22, 2021, 10:37 AM
RogueJSKquote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
80 percent of Boston Globe readers--both Boston and MA are pretty damn blue, are they not?--agreed with the not guilty verdicts.
Don't read too much into that. Anyone can vote in online polls. Just because it's hosted on a Boston-area news website, doesn't mean everyone who voted was from the Boston area, or even that the majority of people who voted were from Boston.
For example, I've lost count of the number of times someone on this very forum has posted about
"XYZ local news site is hosting a gun-rights-related poll... Everyone go vote!", and then a large chunk of members here go pile on the conservative response option to that "local" poll, regardless of where they live.
Multiply that by every conservative or gun-related forum or social media group out there doing the same thing, and the same with the liberal version, and the result is that these politics-related online polls are worthless as far as being legitimate reflections of local public opinion. It just becomes a matter of which side can drum up enough online support to go dogpile their preferred poll response with votes from all across the country/world.
And the news websites are laughing all the way to the bank, because all they care about is the extra ad revenue from the increased site traffic.
November 22, 2021, 10:40 AM
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November 22, 2021, 10:53 AM
rscalzoAndy Branciua did a great Zoom conference reviewing the trial. He was not as upbeat about the defense pointing out several mistakes that were made.
He also stated that the Prosecutor will most likely face no repercussions after this. Not surprising. Nor will Rittenhouse instantly become a wealthy person. Again not surprising.
It was a very informative two hours hosted by attorneys well versed in the process.
November 22, 2021, 10:53 AM
rscalzoquote:
Originally posted by rscalzo:
Andy Branciua did a great Zoom conference reviewing the trial. He was not as upbeat about the defense pointing out several mistakes that were made.
He also stated that the Prosecutor will most likely face no repercussions after this. Not surprising. Nor will Rittenhouse instantly become a wealthy person. Again not surprising.
I believe that it's being posted on their YouTube channel.
It was a very informative two hours hosted by attorneys well versed in the process.
November 22, 2021, 11:00 AM
kidcopquote:
Originally posted by rscalzo:
Andy Branciua did a great Zoom conference reviewing the trial....... Nor will Rittenhouse instantly become a wealthy person. Again not surprising.
It was a very informative two hours hosted by attorneys well versed in the process.
Taking on the media, any media, is at best a near-vertical uphill battle, what with the First Amendment and all. A lot of what was written also fell under opinion or commentary sections, which are also highly protected.
I'd also point out that all the Photoshopped memes "starring" Rittenhouse don't necessarily help him. When people believe everything they see bad things can happen.
November 22, 2021, 11:07 AM
SIGnifiedOur society is breaking down around us. We see clear and convincing evidence every single day. The last 36 hours has been atrocious, but expected
It sure as hell isn’t Kyle Rittenhouse’s fault.
"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein November 22, 2021, 12:02 PM
HRKWhen does a purchase become a straw purchase, for legal purposes, it tends to be a narrow set of action or actions that constitute violation of a law.
When
Two parties agree to do the transaction,
Cash changes hands
The 4473 is completed,
LGS/Owner hands the firearm to the buyer
When the gun change hands from buyer to the second party.
Is it when the gun changes hands that triggers the straw purchase violation, because up to that point the original owner still has the gun he/she purchased in their possession, pretty sure source of funds doesn't matter, because method of payment doesn't have to be from the buyers source of income/cash/credit, your neighbor could pay for your new gun based on a bet/debt/work deal, but as long as you fill out the 4473 and take possession it's a legal purchase.
So the issue is, did Black actually commit a 4473 violation, by letting Kyle carry the AR at the protest, as long as he retained ownership of that AR.
Until the ownership is conveyed, regardless of time frame, is it at the point of being a straw purchase. How does intent come into play as a violation, if, the buy or transfer has not, or never will happen....
November 22, 2021, 12:06 PM
HildurOh great, more talk about straw purchases.
November 22, 2021, 12:42 PM
BOATTRASH1^^^^^^Agreed. We got a good victory here. Why the Hell do we have to over analyze minutiae?
November 22, 2021, 12:47 PM
EasyFireHas there been any comment from the jurors as to why the verdict took so long to be reached/announced?
November 22, 2021, 01:01 PM
sdyquote:
Why the Hell do we have to over analyze minutiae?
so we understand
and don't screw up ourselves. #1 My understanding is that as soon as Black signed the 4473 and checked 21a as "yes" rather than "no", he committed a 4473 violation.
#2 Dominick Black has not been charged by Binger about a 4473 violation
I think a 4473 violation would be charged by DoJ
November 22, 2021, 01:25 PM
HRKquote:
Originally posted by sdy:
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Why the Hell do we have to over analyze minutiae?
so we understand
and don't screw up ourselves. #1 My understanding is that as soon as Black signed the 4473 and checked 21a as "yes" rather than "no", he committed a 4473 violation.
#2 Dominick Black has not been charged by Binger about a 4473 violation
I think a 4473 violation would be charged by DoJ
Exactly, thanks, it's important because it's one more step by .gov that will be used to solidify the position on straw purchases.
Be interesting if the charge on the 4473 does become relevant, since 99.99% of people that get denied on an attempt to buy a gun through an FFL that fill out the 4473 probably misrepresented themselves on a federal form and were caught in the validation process.
Can't say I've heard of anyone that had a gun purchase denied by .gov arrested for false information on a 4473....