Good news for a change! Judge tells prosecutor to pound sand in Rittenhouse case
SIGforum legal brain tryst answer this:
Which is the most inept prosecution:
(1) OJ Simpson's murder trial; or
(2) The Rittenhouse prosecution?
Nice is overrated
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November 09, 2021, 06:32 PM
XinTX
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Originally posted by Sig2340: SIGforum legal brain tryst answer this:
Which is the most inept prosecution:
(1) OJ Simpson's murder trial; or
(2) The Rittenhouse prosecution?
Yes
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November 09, 2021, 06:37 PM
kimber1911
^^^^^^ That’s easy. I am not a lawyer, but think this could be a problem for the Prosecutor.
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Originally posted by TXJIM: Wow, current witness just incriminated the prosecution for witness tampering.
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November 09, 2021, 06:37 PM
darthfuster
Brain tryst? I suppose that's how it works....
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
November 09, 2021, 06:41 PM
SigSentry
Hopefully there will memes with the photojournalist and "farley's" line of questioning. Even the state's cross is beneficial to the defense
November 09, 2021, 06:44 PM
ZSMICHAEL
a private romantic rendezvous between lovers. "a moonlight tryst" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Come on correct this please.
November 09, 2021, 07:02 PM
jsbcody
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Originally posted by Sig2340: SIGforum legal brain tryst answer this:
Which is the most inept prosecution:
(1) OJ Simpson's murder trial; or
(2) The Rittenhouse prosecution?
Well OJ's trial was a prosecution, Rittenhouse's trial is a persecution......that is falling apart. I mean I don't recall one witness that hasn't screwed the prosecution's case. In tennis there is a term for unforced errors, right now the Prosecution has 100s of unforced errors.
November 09, 2021, 07:30 PM
Underdog
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Originally posted by darthfuster: Brain tryst? I suppose that's how it works....
I think its kinky Zoom calls...?
November 09, 2021, 07:53 PM
Sig2340
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Originally posted by darthfuster: Brain tryst? I suppose that's how it works....
Spelt cheked two.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
November 09, 2021, 07:54 PM
Voshterkoff
This trial is reaching Zimmerman trial levels of clown show.
November 09, 2021, 08:05 PM
arabiancowboy
Thank you for those explanations and taking time to summarize it, I appreciated those posts.
November 09, 2021, 08:33 PM
ArtieS
Defense lawyer: "As a result, what did you do?"
Witness: "I hired an attorney."
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November 09, 2021, 08:49 PM
trapper189
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Originally posted by BamaJeepster: Unless this jury just completely ignores everything that has been presented in court in this case, Rittenhouse has to be found not guilty.
Given that, does anyone think the feds will immediately announce a civil rights investigation and charge him in federal court? Merrick Garland has already shown that he will do whatever he is ordered to do by the leftist mob, so do the feds step in if he's acquitted?
The white guy killed two other white guys and maimed a third white guy. I don’t see how anyone’s civil rights were violated.
The maimed white guy should be charged with attempted murder based on his own testimony as well as the other evidence presented in this case.
November 09, 2021, 09:05 PM
Lefty Sig
Jury intimidation by the guy taking the video. Mistrial. The only possible way they can convict is fear of retribution. Or possibly compromise down to something if they have an option.
The prosecution is grasping at convincing the jury that Kyle didn't need to be there, and should have stayed home, and shouldn't have had a rifle, and no one asked him to guard the car dealer, and so on. It's not legally relevant to the self defense claim, but they want the jury to put some blame on Kyle for "putting himself in that situation".
The judge should just put a stop to this, lest Kyle get railroaded in spite of the facts.
November 09, 2021, 09:06 PM
sigmonkey
While it matters not in any sense regarding this trial, I want to make known my POV on Grosskreutz's "hands up".
It looks to me that he was running up and the shot fired into Huber caused Grosskreutz to "halt in place" from reaction to the shot, and the "hands up" was him trying to maintain balance as he "hit the brakes" and "stood up on his toes", then he continues forward in his original "trajectory", as his brain was still running that "OODA loop".
What would be the assessment in situation where Kyle was a cop, shot the first guy then trying to get back to his patrol/other LE officers and had people chase him and try to brain him with a skate board, flying kick him in the head, and another trying to get the drop on him with a handgun. How would that play out in regard to "good shoot"?
(a cop has the right to self defense, same as anyone, and once the SHTF, Kyle and a Cop are on even ground in my mind)
The other thing is Tueller Drill, (in this case, with a slung rifle and not a holstered weapon and an assailant [resenting a knife), but still multiple attacks from variously armed individuals, and the fact that weapon retention is also a paramount and most proper mindset.
I realize we benefit from a 2 years of Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and also benefit from a tremendous amount of shared experiences, training and whatnot.
As to the "photographer" kid today, I recall several shootings I was involved in back in the mid 1970s and I still recall them and details in stark clarity. And also how damned fast it occurs in the linear, and how slow in the recollection.
It happened so damned fast (in both events), but the "replay" in my head is like a 6 part miniseries, just slow and every detail.
Kyle was wired right, and I hope he prevails as he should through this.
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November 09, 2021, 09:37 PM
MikeinNC
^^ amen to that monkey
I think the judge is letting this play out knowing A. The jury finds him not guilty B. He can give a directed verdict of not guilty at the end
I’m not sure if a directed verdict will prevent Kyle from being charged again or not (But getting a NG would go a long way to preventing him from getting hit on a civil rights case against him(Kyle))
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November 09, 2021, 09:50 PM
jsbcody
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Originally posted by MikeinNC: ^^ amen to that monkey
I think the judge is letting this play out knowing A. The jury finds him not guilty B. He can give a directed verdict of not guilty at the end
I’m not sure if a directed verdict will prevent Kyle from being charged again or not (But getting a NG would go a long way to preventing him from getting hit on a civil rights case against him(Kyle))
Can't be tried again once jeopardy attaches. As far as Civil Rights case......with Garland's Just Us Department and the FBI.....I would bet on a detailed review and updated investigation to see if they can indict Kyle. Just remember, Kyle was 17 at time this occurred, so he would be considered a juvenile in the Federal System.
November 09, 2021, 09:57 PM
darthfuster
Maybe it’s Brian tryst. That’s Shirley been done before.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
November 10, 2021, 06:09 AM
Skins2881
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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks: Looks like the cross of bicep boy was more or less the longest "you fucked around and found out" I have ever witnessed.