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Truth. I would really like our chances. | |||
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The GOP establishment’s script is being shredded by Trump..... The New Jacksonian Rebellion (and Trump, too) By J. Robert Smith Schadenfreude, I must confess. Yes, I’m deriving pleasure from the GOP establishment’s pain. Trump’s the thorn in the RINO side; the wound festers, and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch. Perverse pleasure aside, though, there’s something bigger happening than Trump among Americans and on the right. It’s positively Jacksonian. The Trump phenomenon isn’t a quirk, a passing shadow – though, perhaps, The Donald is. What ‘16 is, and what Trump personifies, is the next stage in the liberty rebellion that commenced in ’09 with the tea parties. Indeed, the much maligned Tea Party movement is morphing. It’s taking on a populist tinge. It’s more brazen – dare say, strident – in that a celeb – The Donald – has stepped forward to voice what grassroots conservatives and growing numbers of Americans think about political correctness and the leftist policies that are wrecking the nation. Trump entertains, but in fact, his campaign is resonating because the messaging resonates. Trump is leading an advance deeper into the American electorate. What’s going on here in the early stages of the ‘16 presidential sweepstakes is the next chapter in the burgeoning grassroots rebellion against big government, statist aggression, and the elitist privilege and sense, a sense that is more radicalized than ever… that seeks to tyrannize faith, culture, and society. The rebellion resembles the rise of Jacksonian Democracy back in the 1820s. No, it’s not an exact repeat; nothing ever is in history. But the spirit and contours are similar. Let’s refresh ourselves as to what Jacksonian Democracy was about. This from Conservapedia: Broadly, Jacksonian democracy, in contrast to the Jeffersonian era, promoted the strength of the executive branch and the presidency at the expense of Congressional power, while also seeking to broaden the public's participation in government. Jacksonians believed in enfranchising all white men, rather than just the propertied class, and supported the patronage system that enabled politicians to appoint their supporters into administrative offices, arguing it would reduce the power of elites and prevent aristocracies from emerging. They demanded elected (not appointed) judges and rewrote many state constitutions to reflect the new values. In national terms the Jacksonians favored geographical expansion, justifying it in terms of Manifest Destiny. There was usually a consensus among both Jacksonians and Whigs that battles over slavery should be avoided. Clearly, the growing liberty rebellion wants nothing to do with Obama’s statist empowerment of the presidency. Quite the opposite. It doesn’t drive to expand the franchise; there’s no need. It does desire to reengage millions of Americans in the electoral process who’ve been alienated by the leftist ascendency and Republican quiescence. What the liberty rebellion does aim to do is redefine government consistent with founding principles, reducing and limiting the federal government. It most certainly seeks greater localism and individual empowerment. It strives to break the stranglehold of Washington privilege and the cronyism that attends, which is very Jacksonian. Patronage as a counter to elitism? Not a go among liberty rebellion faithful. Liberty rebels want to eliminate or reduce bureaucracies, like the EPA, that aggregate powers through generous interpretations of laws, and who are aided and abetted by politicians wanting unelected government -- peopled by the taxpayers’ employees -- to serve as a critical fifth column in consolidating government power and prerogatives while trampling freedom. The liberty rebellion fires squarely at an appointed judiciary -- at unelected jurists who make up the law as they go, who have as their touchstones “personal experience” and the progressive condescension that sheepskins and higher social status give them the right to reorder society and lives. That’s most Democrat-appointed jurists, nowadays, but that goes for the likes of Anthony Kennedy, too. Manifest Destiny? What right-thinking American -- in stark counterpoint to the left -- doesn’t believe that the American experience is exceptional? That the nation hasn’t been ordained by God to be a beckon of freedom and hope in a dark world of tyrannies? Who, among the friends of liberty, doesn’t want to shout this from rooftops? As to any avoidance of the critical issues of the day, the liberty rebellion is about bringing it on. Abortion, for instance, has been the nation’s equivalent of the slavery issue since Roe v. Wade. The Planned Parenthood butchery of the unborn has raised awareness of the monstrosity of killing the unborn, thereby committing the ultimate act of depriving human beings of their rights and eventual liberty. Like the Jacksonians (certainly like Jackson), liberty rebels spoil for the fight, and aren’t waiting around for the left to take the first shots anymore. Trump is showing how to knock the left and its establishment lackeys on their keisters. The GOP establishment’s script is being shredded by Trump. Trump alone doesn’t make RINOs uneasy, though. By his lonesome, Trump can be written off as a noisy interruption; a pop culture celeb, a People magazine cover or two, social media fodder. Bored viewers will finally surf on. His ratings will tank and cancellation, his fate. Even if Trump leaves the field, the grassroots movement that fuels him won’t vanish, nor will it be absorbed by any establishment. Astute -- and alarmed -- leftists and RINOs know so. Trump reflects more than shines. He leads the pack among a crowded field of GOP presidential aspirants because he’s part Howard Beal, part Old Hickory, and part Goldwater. He’s mad as hell and not taking it anymore, which mirrors accurately the sentiments of tens of millions of Americans. In the day, weren’t Old Hickory and the Jacksonians “mad as hell?” Jacksonian Democracy was fueled by a righteous indignation -- as is today’s liberty rebellion. When we consider the struggle for freedom (and it’s been ongoing since the Revolution), we need to consider how past movements are amalgamated, synthesized. Today’s liberty rebellion resembles the Jacksonian but has many fathers. Expressions for liberty change, somewhat, to fit the times, but the core principles remain. Liberty is still man’s natural state. Humanity’s direction (as epitomized in the American experience) struggles toward achieving this birthright. It’s nearly instinct. Though the focus is on Trump, some conservatives -- and more Republicans -- are unsettled by the liberty rebellion. It’s too Jacksonian in profile for whiggish conservatives -- it’s raw, coarse, and full of the frontier; it discounts government more than they’d care. They are the George Wills of the world. For establishment Republicans, it poses a threat to the privileges they enjoy as part of the “loyal opposition.” Hello, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, among others, you who have carved out comfortable lives among DC’s reigning statists. These RINOs can’t stomach seeing an apple cart overturned much more the entirety of progressivism. Trump is ultimately immaterial. The forces for freedom at work are greater than any one man or woman. It has always been so on these shores.Whether it be the highhandedness of a king or the gambits of anti-liberty elites in Jefferson’s day, Jackson’s, and beyond, average Americans have risen up to protect or reclaim and advance freedoms. It’s happening again today. Old Hickory would get it. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com..._.html#ixzz3k7GbEeBk "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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chellim- Keep posting those articles. I have read all of the articles you have posted, and they are all good reads. I may have to read up more on "Jacksonian". I had never heard that term before, and the topic looks intriguing. | |||
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good article [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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I disagree that it's Trump or nothing. This energy has a lot to do with frustration from not having someone like Cruz the past few elections. It's amazing that people are writing him off with five debates to go. If you put him in the 2012 race those millions of frustrated GOP voters don't stay home and he wins. If Trump falters he picks up the baton and it works. | |||
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Personally, he is saying what everyone wants to, but are scared they'll offend the media. Fuck the media, especially Megan Kelly and Univision. I'm waiting for the primaries to see who's head explodes first. ______________________________ Men who carry guns for a living do not seek reward outside of the guild. The most cherished gift is a nod from his peers. | |||
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What may look good "on paper" does not always translate to what works in the real world. Cruz may have all the boxes checked off but if he does not connect with voters it makes NO difference. On paper Trump still looks like a long shot. The stuff he does the stuff he says, its dismaying to all his opponents that it "works". But its all the things that make Trump, Trump. __________________________ They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal. Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"? The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar. “The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”― Christopher Hitchens | |||
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Trump has not been friendly to gun owners. He has changed his tune in recent months of course. http://downtrend.com/71superb/...beral-anti-gun-clown | |||
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That's exactly why I'm glad to see the two of them NOT attack each other, and doing this event together to oppose the Iran deal could be the beginning of working together to slay the GOPe. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Yeah, he's going to stab us in the back. He's doing this not for our country but to stroke his ego. He's a blowhard and he's not going to deliver on any of his promises. He claims to be a Republican but he's really not. Wait, are we talking about Jeb or Donald? I'm not denying on the fence voters have trust issues with Trump and where he really stands. And this is precisely why so may want to see a Trump/Cruz to ease some of the anxiety. __________________________ They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal. Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"? The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar. “The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”― Christopher Hitchens | |||
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We are only a few months into this, so we have no clue how Cruz is going to connect with voters. After the last debate he scored extremely high with the focus group. Trump works for now, but we'll see if that continues long term. If it doesn't all is not lost like you suggested above. It's not "Trump or nothing". I think most intelligent voters will take the winner between them. | |||
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To borrow from Adlai Stevenson, they will still need a majority to win. "Most intelligent voters" won't be nearly enough. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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The country is going down the toilet and right now Trump looks like he has all the tools to stop the bleeding. I really not concerned about what he has said about the 2nd Amendment in the past. Besides he is running for president not "King." If Trump is elected he can't change the 2nd Amendment by snapping his fingers. ______________________________________________________________________________ My grandfather voted republican until the day he died, now he votes democrat. | |||
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You beat me to it! ------------------------------ Knowing is half the battle! "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Sky is blue, but I think most Trump and Cruz voters are smart enough not to take their footballs and go home if they don't get their way. | |||
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It depends. If Jeb gets the nomination, for instance, there's no way enough will hold their nose. Honestly, I don't think Jeb could beat Obama for an illegal third term. What Democrat *could* Jeb beat, anyone? | |||
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1) I think we should always be concerned about our 2A rights and until he states he was wrong in the past about the AWB and would veto a new AWB, I wouldn't vote for him. 2) While the POTUS is not "king," you shuld be concerned about his appointments to the SCOTUS, his veto power, his executive orders and his ability to use the Executive Office as a bully pulpit. "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. " - The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump -Tom __________________________ "For the cause that lacks assistance/The wrong that needs resistance/For the Future in the distance/And the Good that I can do" - George Linnaeus Banks, "What I Live for" | |||
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My theory only applies to Trump and Cruz because it was suggested "it's Trump or nothing". | |||
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| More Human Than Human |
Those aren't the voters in question. The one's that will take us across the goal line. Or get us close enough to kick it for the game winning 3 points. I'm looking way ahead. Make your bets. On guns: http://www.ammoland.com/2015/0...zones/#axzz3k8nTdehC This is the best we have as far as his current position. July 2015. Personally, I'm not concerned.
__________________________ They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal. Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"? The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar. “The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”― Christopher Hitchens | |||
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