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They will spend more than that on environmental impact report litigation. It won't be approved in any of our lifetimes.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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They will spend more than that on environmental impact report litigation. It won't be approved in any of our lifetimes.

That's just sad.
If they have any balls... they will withhold all funding for the EPA until it's approved.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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If trump is elected, he very well might redo the EPA actions to testing pool water, and pull their teeth. I would say that probably extend to every alphabet agency that has overstepped themselves.


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If trump is elected, he very well might redo the EPA actions to testing pool water, and pull their teeth. I would say that probably extend to every alphabet agency that has overstepped themselves.


That was my exact thought too! I suspect the EPA will be neutered and put in their place as will most of the other "untouchable" agencies that have enjoyed their lack of accountability and free reign for far too long.


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Not only that, but we could easily pay for it in savings from welfare and other benefits we won't be providing to illegals.


Shit, I hear St Louis and all of Missouri have plenty of money for a stadium, why not a fence? Razz
 
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I thought democrats were always looking for "shovel ready" infrastructure spending projects to help put American workers back to work. This seems to fit all of those bullshit talking points to a T. I can't wait until Trump realizes how much we can sell the advertising rights for, it will be a 1,900 mile long billboard facing some pretty big population centers on the Mexican side. It will be HUGE Big Grin



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Shit, I hear St Louis and all of Missouri have plenty of money for a stadium, why not a fence? Razz

Yep! Plenty of money!
Big Grin



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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if only (someone like Trump would also gut or significantly limit/refocus the EPA/DEA/NSA/etc).

*that's* progress, and balls, and more necessary than too many will admit.

one can dream.
 
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They will spend more than that on environmental impact report litigation. It won't be approved in any of our lifetimes.

That's just sad.
If they have any balls... they will withhold all funding for the EPA until it's approved.


It's not just EPA. It's private litigants, greens, crazies, Commies, whatever.

Every project of significance must have an approved EIR in order to pull permits. The local agency issuing permits must approve the report, and anyone can sue to challenge the report, completeness, findings, the possibilities are endless, really.

Delays, expense, uncertainty, aaaarrrrrggggghhhh!




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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How much would Trump's Wall cost? With all the crap we waste money on, it makes no sense to me that journalists and politicians on the left and right are acting like we can't afford it. The figure I've heard is around 2 Billion. These scumbags have no problem running a trillion dollar deficit for like 7 years in a row and now when 2 Billion comes up, they are all fiscal hawks? Give me a break.


You don't need to build a wall literally, but figuratively. You build a policy that deters illegals from wanting to come here and remove all rewards for doing so. Kind of like revoking 2A with a thousand cuts.
 
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If trump is elected, he very well might redo the EPA actions to testing pool water, and pull their teeth. I would say that probably extend to every alphabet agency that has overstepped themselves.


That was my exact thought too! I suspect the EPA will be neutered and put in their place as will most of the other "untouchable" agencies that have enjoyed their lack of accountability and free reign for far too long.



I start to get worried when I read posts like these.

First, off, I love what Trump is doing, kicking the establishment in the teeth and rough riding the weasels in the press, I really do.

What worries me is what I call the "deification" of Trump. It happened to Perot, it happened to Obama. The deification begins when enthusiastic followers begin to project un-realisitic qualities and un-achievable goals on their candidate, and lose sight of the difference between reality, and their un-fulfilled hopes. Ultimately, just as Perot and Obama tarnished in the eyes of their supporters, Trump ultimately will, as well. No matter how much we may like what he says and earnestly want it to be true, he is not the Messiah, and cannot ultimately wield that much power.

As much as I like the members of the forum, truthfully, I would not be terribly affected by any disappointment some of them might feel. The reason I worry, is that they will become disillusioned, and then withdrawn and disengaged. Once again betrayed by a worthless politician with no hope for America. But that is a red herring, because no single person can turn this country around. IT takes many of us, and we need to stay focused on the long term solution. Trump may or may not be part of that, but he certainly is not the be all and end all of it.

Please, enjoy the optimism and the show Trump brings, but don't get carried away and cross the line into projecting fantasy. If conservatives are to make a difference, we need them at all the levels of government, not just the President. In years past, on this forum, we have often discussed the importance of the primaries and the grassroots efforts and local elections. From Tax Collector to State Legislator, Senator and everyone in between. We can't afford to get disillusioned.

Dtech, nighthawk, I don't mean to single you guys out, your posts just gave me the segue to something I have been thinking recently. Please don't take it personally.

I suppose some might come along and chastise or ridicule me for not being a true believer. I'll be glad to eat crow, but not until after Trump has actually accomplished any of what is hoped he will.




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if there was ever a case for imminent domain, an international border zone would qualify, IMO.

now, I would probably reject the vast majority of other attempts to make such I.D. claims.

but finally, maybe, that's actually a good use for the otherwise questionable practice.

frankly, when the country was formed it was a mistake to not create a border zone of sufficient width to effectively defend - before any patents and deeds were ever created/given out.
 
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that's actually a good use for the otherwise questionable practice.



Not if we take it out of Mexico's side. Big Grin




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First, off, I love what Trump is doing, kicking the establishment in the teeth and rough riding the weasels in the press, I really do.

What worries me is what I call the "deification" of Trump. It happened to Perot, it happened to Obama. The deification begins when enthusiastic followers begin to project un-realisitic qualities and un-achievable goals on their candidate, and lose sight of the difference between reality, and their un-fulfilled hopes.

Well said.
No matter who is elected, we won't turn things around overnight.
We've been headed in this "progressive" direction since at least 1913, so it's taken 100 years to get here.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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At the very least this is an indictment and a referendum on the political system today. We've confirmed there are very powerful forces at work who are dictating the political conversation and political battles. At the very least it's heartening to know there are Americans out there who have their eyes open and are tired of being swindled, bullied, and prodded. Who are tired of being told what to think. We know what we want and what we no longer want.

So at the very least we have cause for hope at least in my fellow Americans. And change is always possible. Why not?


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if only (someone like Trump would also gut or significantly limit/refocus the EPA/DEA/NSA/etc).

*that's* progress, and balls, and more necessary than too many will admit.

one can dream.
Don't forget to include the Department of Education and the Department of Energy in that list.



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I am not looking at Trump as the end all that we pray at his feet. I am looking at him as a businessman. He wants to be successful, you do part of that by getting rid of wasteful spending, and there is nothing more of a poster child of waste then the Government. I happen to agree with what he is saying. I really like Cruz too, ideally they would be a great team in my thinking. Trump is just saying what a lot of us have been thinking for years, it's just now he is saying it out loud and making the RNC crap in their panties. Pulling the teeth of some of these agency's, is what is needed, they have gotten to big for their britches.


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if there was ever a case for imminent domain, an international border zone would qualify, IMO.

They tried that a few years ago on the Brownsville end of the Rio Grande and got shot down in court.

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frankly, when the country was formed it was a mistake to not create a border zone of sufficient width to effectively defend - before any patents and deeds were ever created/given out.

An excellent thought in retrospect, but what is now the border had been settled by the Spanish about a hundred years before it became a border. On top of that, much of that border is either river or old river bottom, which in turn makes it very valuable farmland in an arid or semiarid environment. There hasn't been a time when that land could've been handed out without patents, deeds and water rights since the Karankawa let Cabeza de Vaca escape alive.
 
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What worries me is what I call the "deification" of Trump. It happened to Perot, it happened to Obama. The deification begins when enthusiastic followers begin to project un-realisitic qualities and un-achievable goals on their candidate, and lose sight of the difference between reality, and their un-fulfilled hopes.


I don't think it is a matter of deifying Trump. But let's be disappointed in him when and if he actually does or says something disappointing. So far-- for me-- he has not done so.

The reason he towers so high above the others is not that we are putting up Grecian columns and fainting in his presence. It's because the others, with only the exception of Cruz, are such midgets. Metaphorically speaking, put Trump next to Jeb Bush and you have... I dunno... Jack's Beanstalk versus a Mexican Jumping Bean.


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When Trump feigns falling asleep when he mentions Jeb. Well, it's funny because it is so true. We've seen a lot politicians who've been groomed by the political machinery but this guy can't be more obvious.


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They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal.
Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"?
The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar.

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