If Trump wins the election, it'll be the first time in history that a billionaire moved into public housing vacated by a black family!

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by gw3971: The only thing I know about America today is Conservatism is dead in America.

Depending on your definition, it very well may be. I've asked the question here and elsewhere many times and never found a consensus answer as to what constitutes conservatism. It seems like there may be a few (very few) core ideas in common, but then it builds into a checklist of different essential elements upon which there is scant agreement.

Words with twisted meanings.

Real liberals I can like show me a real liberal, hint what is called a liberal today is not one.

Conservative? What's that mean? You have to love the Bible and push it???? What exactly is it???

Myself I am an American not a fricken democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.

All I want to see is people who will uphold and follow the US constitution, stop selling us out and represent us, We the people.

Everything else is bullshit Fuck the parties and the crony elitist games. People act like they are a part of it, news flash it is a big party but as George said we ain't part of it.

Best thing that has happened this election is the people waking up to the fact we left Kansas a long time ago.

That is my rant, done.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
The only thing I know about America today is Conservatism is dead in America.

The problem is that the term has different meanings in American politics. You can be a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, or both. One has nothing to do with the other.

If the discussion is social conservatism, it may well be dead as a viable political platform. The libs have done a masterful job of destroying the pillars on which our country was built (and depended upon for survival.)

Fiscal conservatism? I'd say it's still very relevant, although you'd never know it by the conduct of the liberal RINOs who have hijacked the GOP. There is a movement within the Republican Party now that I believe will bring fiscal conservatism back to the forefront.

The term itself, conservative, is not overly appealing to young people. I wish we had a different label that was more acceptable to the young. Those age 18-25 can vote......

Nobody likes to be told what to do and how to live their life; democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives (all varieties), old people, young people, etc. Morality cannot be legislated or even easily defined. Cruz's father went on another rant and he can't understand why his son is dropping in the polls. We're voting for a president - not a pope.

All we should expect out of our government is to manage a healthy economy, maintain a military, protect the borders, keep us safe, build roads and infrastructure, etc. and not get carried away with the etc.

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Originally posted by PD:
Nobody likes to be told what to do and how to live their life ....

Oooh: that I must disagree with, and not just a little. Countless people want exactly that, to be told how to live their lives. They often, of course, don’t think of it of being told themselves, but rather telling other people how to live their lives. I bought a house late in life and never really paid much attention to things like covenants and local ordinances until I got involved in ham radio. Then I discovered that half the places we looked at had restrictions that told people they couldn’t put antennas. Then I started paying attention and found that some developments had restrictions and covenants that were literally pages long. The people who live there clearly have no objections to being told how to live their lives, including everything from how many vehicles they can have in their driveways to what color they can paint their houses.

Restrictive statutes and ordinances are also extremely common. At one time (and probably still), a dog owner in Denver could be cited if a dog approached a fence and barked at passers-by. I actually believe that’s an excellent ordinance, and so do many other people, but it’s a good example of being told how to live one’s life. Other people want to be told how to treat their pets and their children, and what someone could get away with regarding both was vastly different when I was growing up than today.

It even applies to what should be completely private matters like sexual practices. There are countless people who want to be told not to do certain things because they’re immoral and might bring down supernatural retribution on all of us, even the innocent (as we’re told has happened in the past and therefore might happen again). Others want all of us to be told that it’s okay for men to use women’s restrooms; those in favor of such rules are subject to them just as much as anyone else.

Many—perhaps most—people like being told how to live their lives not so much because of how the rules apply to them, but how they apply to everyone else. The effect, however, is exactly the same, and it’s becoming more common all the time.

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Originally posted by 95flhr:
If Trump wins the election, it'll be the first time in history that a billionaire moved into public housing vacated by a black family!

A case for Donald Trump.

The DiploMad 2.0 - Why I Will Vote for Trump

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My reasons for voting Trump are probably very similar to that of millions of other Americans. I will explain what I think is going on that leads so many of us to vote for Trump--let me know if I have it wrong. As the military say, however, "bottom line upfront" (BLUF) After all the verbiage I will inflict on you, it comes down to one thing: I am tired, sick and tired, of seeing my country, our country, our laws, our history, our values, and our very civilization spat upon, kicked around, and degraded by hordes of low-information, pampered cretins allied with malevolent criminal thugs both at home and abroad.

Former Notre Dame coach Lou Holtz endorsed Trump today. The endorsement by Holtz and Bob Knight will likely carry a lot more weight in Indiana than the GOPe governor.

http://www.al.com/news/index.s...ml#incart_river_home

Glenn Beck called for a day of "prayer, fasting and humility" tomorrow. Humility. This from the man who went on to say that God is deliberately prolonging the primary for a good reason. "...I believe that’s the Almighty God saying, ‘Each one of you, I want you to stand and you choose: good or evil? Which way will we go? Am I still your God and are you still my people? Choose who you serve,’”

Humility-- right?-- but he can put words into God's mouth. He is, in his mind, God's attorney. And God says "Vote for Ted Cruz or you are in deep shit!"

The worst part of this-- what makes it not ignorable-- is that he and Cruz got down on their knees and prayed together before Beck went out and said these grandiose, whacky things.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-...te-choose-good-evil/

Hopefully this election will hammer the last nail into the coffin that is social conservatism, and end the tired argument that "if we'd just run a 'real conservative' we'd win it all", both of which are as responsible for Republican losses as much as anything ever has been. If that alone changes, we will have had a major shift in the correct direction, fucking finally.

The Libertarian Party is absurd, but certain ibertarian ideals - fiscal conservatism, small and limited government, and hey... actual liberty, are something worth uniting behind.

I doubt much changes in that regard, as - sadly - sigfreund is correct. Far, far too many people like that shit, and care what color their neighbor's barn is, and here were are...

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Originally posted by nra-life-member:

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Originally posted by 95flhr:
If Trump wins the election, it'll be the first time in history that a billionaire moved into public housing vacated by a black family!

That's actually pretty funny...I was laughing...

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Glenn Beck called for a day of "prayer, fasting and humility" tomorrow. Humility. This from the man who went on to say that God is deliberately prolonging the primary for a good reason. "...I believe that’s the Almighty God saying, ‘Each one of you, I want you to stand and you choose: good or evil? Which way will we go? Am I still your God and are you still my people? Choose who you serve,’”

Humility-- right?-- but he can put words into God's mouth. He is, in his mind, God's attorney. And God says "Vote for Ted Cruz or you are in deep shit!"

The worst part of this-- what makes it not ignorable-- is that he and Cruz got down on their knees and prayed together before Beck went out and said these grandiose, whacky things.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-...te-choose-good-evil/

Beck finally went over the edge. He got to believing that he is the only one who can talk to God.

Note for Beck: We can all talk to God, and God listens. God very seldom answers in a voice we can hear. And to the best of my recollection, the last time God actually spoke to humans was many years ago when He was speaking to prophets.

Like Abraham when He told Abraham to leave where he was and go to a place God would show him. And one or 2 of Christ's disciples in the New Testament.

Since we are on the topic, I believe that this coming election is our last chance to save America as we know and love it.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Hopefully this election will hammer the last nail into the coffin that is social conservatism, and end the tired argument that "if we'd just run a 'real conservative' we'd win it all", both of which are as responsible for Republican losses as much as anything ever has been. If that alone changes, we will have had a major shift in the correct direction, fucking finally.

The Libertarian Party is absurd, but certain ibertarian ideals - fiscal conservatism, small and limited government, and hey... actual liberty, are something worth uniting behind.

I doubt much changes in that regard, as - sadly - sigfreund is correct. Far, far too many people like that shit, and care what color their neighbor's barn is, and here were are...

Winning doesn't mean anything to some of us if we abandon morality and God. Many will mock this and shake their heads, I respect the beliefs of those who disagree, but I believe in God and His guiding hand that has allowed us to be so blessed that we can sit online and have these kinds of discussions in retaliative peace and safety.

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Originally posted by Ackks:
Winning doesn't mean anything to some of us if we abandon morality and God. Many will mock this and shake their heads, I respect the beliefs of those who disagree, but I believe in God and His guiding hand that has allowed us to be so blessed that we can sit online and have these kinds of discussions in retaliative peace and safety.

For fuck's sake. Give it a rest. Snap out of it. I mean, really. Wake up.

We need to have a rule about bringing Glenn Beck into this Thread...He's just nuts. Every time I hear his name I think of the crazy newscaster guy in "Network"...Watch this and tell me this guy doesn't remind you of Glenn Beck:

I believe in Ayn Rand's definition of "conservative" as basically being "conserving an individuals rights". Long ago, Republicans (like Barry Goldwater) mostly believed in that. It means that limited government should be applied in every possible circumstance, so that individuals can make decisions for themselves, for better or worse. Sometime after that, the religious movement thrust forward in the party, & no longer believed in limited government, if it pushed forward their ideas of religion, at the cost of individual choices, because they happen to agree with the religious laws being pushed.

Then politicians figured out they could unite support by acting religious, & writing laws that seemed to be sensible to religious people (like the war on drugs, federal minimum drinking age, etc), but in actuality grew government at the cost of individual freedoms. That line of thought has given us government schools (instead of free market schools), CHL laws (instead of Constitutional Carry), taxes on 1 class of people that is beneficial to other classes not necessarily taxed, & a myriad of laws that grew government, & took away choices of the individual, recently leading to Obamacare, & leading to "Republicans" like John McCain, Karl Rove, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, that are not in any way, shape, or form in favor of individuals making their own decisions.

Donald Trump is not a conservative. I know that, & have known that from the first. But he is the only one who says some conservative things. If he does not follow thru, I'll be the first to admit it. But unfortunately, he is the most conservative guy running, but that doesn't make him a conservative. Like they say, in the land of the blind, the 1 eyed man is king.

When we look back on the death of American conservatism, I fault the soft, religious "conservatives" who agreed with statist politicians, because their brand of socialism had a tinge of religion to it that they agreed with. They couldn't allow people to make decisions on their own, that they might disagree with.

Your capacity for freedom is limited to what you allow others to do with their freedom. Everyone wants their neighbor to leave them alone, but nobody wants to leave their neighbor alone.

Para, I wasn't talking about Trump, but the idea that we should abandon social conservatism after the election. I'm respectful of other people's beliefs, think there is common ground for both sides on that issue, but I do not support the country completely turning it's back on God. You obviously disagree with how I feel. I sincerely wish you well and hope you have a good day.

You keep telling me how you respect other people's belief, as if this is some kind of shield for you. You respect the beliefs of others. Got it, OK? Got it. This doesn't excuse your blindness and inflexibility.

You can't see the disaster staring you in the face. I guess your piety (which is perfectly OK, since you respect the beliefs of others, y'see) doesn't allow you any sort of compromise in this world of Sin, huh?

You can bend or you can break. Your choice.

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Everyone wants their neighbor to leave them alone, but nobody wants to leave their neighbor alone.

Indeed.

As for Ackks' point, you don't have to. Keep it local. Run your house, your family, your neighborhood church, perhaps your company if you have one, as you like. (Cue gay wedding cake woes, and I generally agree). Want to teach abstinence in your house, go for it. Want to raise your kids to believe abortion is wrong, knock yourself out.

Just quit scuttling the entire Right with such things, quit telling others how to live, and for the most part - just keep that sort of thing where it belongs, largely privately and mostly local. That's it. Just a 10% reduction in such noise would be a marked improvement.

No, that's why I said I think there is common ground for both sides in the GOP. There is a difference between finding those and abandoning it completely, though.