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I’ll give Nixon credit for many things, but saying he ended the war in Vietnam is like saying the Germans ended World War I because they quit before their own country was occupied. Plus, the Vietnam war didn’t end with the agreement with the North and the American pullout; the Communists simply took a break to make sure we were gone and not coming back before they began active combat again. Nixon didn’t end the war; the North Vietnamese ended it by defeating the South (and, indirectly, us). And although things turned out better in Korea because we didn’t just abandon the South and we probably did the best we could at the time, that war has never officially ended. ► 6.4/93.6 “It is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not desire.” — Thucydides; quoted by Victor Davis Hanson, The Second World Wars | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Well it is on ABC GMA. Of course it is being spun off as "a clash between Trump supporters and harmless protestors" | |||
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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence will make a “significant” Republican Presidential primary announcement this afternoon All 3 Rep candidates have asked Pence for his endorsement. http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...t-announcement-noon/ indications are that Indiana is a tight race between Trump & Cruz | |||
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Admin/Odd Duck |
But I thought the media said Trump was over after Wisconsin?  ____________________________________________________ New and improved super concentrated me: Proud rebel, heretic, and Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal. There is iron in my words of death for all to see. So there is iron in my words of life. | |||
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Rule #1: Use enough gun |
I'm sure Cruz has already promised him the VP spot in exchange for an endorsement. Carly will be discarded after California.  When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21 "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush | |||
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Telecom Ronin |
To the protesters "please keep this up, it shows the rest of America the true progressive mentality, that of an upset 3yo" | |||
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Only the strong survive |
ALL ABOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN  GOP warms to Trump By Scott Wong and Jonathan Easley - 04/28/16 04:49 PM EDT Establishment Republicans are warming to the idea of Donald Trump as the GOP standard-bearer. Two House Republican committee chairmen, Reps. Bill Shuster (Pa.) and Jeff Miller (Fla.), announced their support for Trump on Thursday. And sources said more rank-and-file Republicans are expected to follow suit, including longtime Rep. John Duncan Jr. (Tenn.). Furthermore, regular meetings between House lawmakers and top Trump aides, once sparsely attend, have suddenly become must-see events. Trump’s convention manager, Paul Manafort, huddled with House Republicans on Thursday in a meeting described by one attendee as “standing room only.” Among the Republicans in attendance were Pennsylvania Reps. Tim Murphy and Mike Kelly. Neither have endorsed Trump though Kelly said he voted for him in Tuesday’s presidential primary. Trump supporter Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.) noted the jump in attendance after attending Thursday's meeting at the Capitol Hill Club next to the Republican party headquarters. “A month ago when we started, there were a lot of empty seats. Today it was packed,” Reed said. “The realization is that Donald Trump is going to be our nominee,” Reed said. “We’re coming to the end of the process; it’s time to unite the party and take on Hillary Clinton.” Trump is by no means the establishment favorite at this point. Some conservatives say they’re embarrassed by the thought that their party might put him up as their nominee for president. And many Republicans believe Trump will be a disastrous general election candidate that will cost the party not just the White House but also majority control in the Senate and potentially the House. There is a movement of anti-Trump conservatives, led by operatives with ties to influential establishment figures who are hellbent on stopping Trump at any cost. And the backlash against the front-runner has been strong enough that lawmakers who once despised Ted Cruz — Sen. Lindsey Graham is the case study here — have thrown their support behind the Texas Republican, believing he’s the last hope to stop Trump. A senior adviser to the Never Trump PAC dismissed the latest round of endorsements and scolded the lawmakers who have thrown their support behind Trump. “Out of over 300 Republicans in Congress, a small handful have now reluctantly agreed to hear from Donald Trump's staff,” the adviser said. “They should look around at every meeting and imagine how many of their colleagues won't be back next year because Trump destroys our down ballot opportunities, and they should consider the implications of losing a historically large Republican majority and handing Hillary Clinton the White House and a Democratic Congress.” Still, there’s an undeniable thaw between Trump and lawmakers on Capitol Hill. The ranks of Trump’s congressional endorsements will swell from nine to 12 on Thursday, and the addition of two House chairmen will give the front-runner added heft as he seeks further inroads with the GOP establishment. Shuster is the chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and will give an added boost to Trump as one of 54 unbound delegates from Pennsylvania who can support whomever they choose at July's Republican National Convention in Cleveland. Trump’s support from House members in Pennsylvania has already paid off. Two early supporters, Reps. Tom Marino and Lou Barletta, worked on the ground for him ahead of Tuesday’s primary there and helped him finally beat Cruz at the inside game of getting supporters elected as delegates. Miller, meanwhile, leads the Veterans Affairs Committee, a group that has been a central focus of Trump’s outreach. The retiring Florida congressman has been informally advising Trump on military and veterans issues. Those endorsements could beget other endorsements as lawmakers lobby on Trump’s behalf to their colleagues or feel safe to announce their support for a candidate who has been a lightning rod for controversy. So far, Trump still only has one supporter in the upper chamber, Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala), who was on hand to spin for the candidate after his much-anticipated foreign policy speech at The Mayflower Hotel in Washington on Wednesday. The speech received mixed reviews within conservative circles but was surprisingly praised by Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and a well-regarded establishment figure who said he had a “solid” phone call with Trump on Thursday. “One of the things I like about Trump’s speech was the foreign policy establishment here in Washington has not been spectacular in their prognosis about what we should do,” Corker told reporters. “And I like the fact that he’s challenging the foreign policy establishment.” Corker isn’t endorsing Trump, but the chairman said he’ll back him if he wins the nomination. Outspoken Trump opponents downplayed the burst of endorsements on Thursday. “I think generally speaking, congressional endorsements are not that relevant. It’s not going to change anything. We have to see what happens in Cleveland. That’s the only thing that matters right now,” said Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.), who first backed Jeb Bush in the primary and has vowed he won’t vote for Trump if he’s the nominee. Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who will be the ceremonial chairman of the Cleveland convention, said members of his caucus are free to do as they choose. “Our members are free to endorse or not to endorse however they want to,” Ryan said at a news conference Thursday. “Either a candidate will get to 1,237 before Cleveland or the delegates through whatever round of voting will pick the nominee. My job is to make sure it is done smoothly and by the rules, and I’m sticking to that.” Julian Hattem contributed. http://thehill.com/homenews/ho...7-gop-warms-to-trump 41 41 | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
Well, I'm a Cruz guy, but second to that I'm Never Hillary guy, so we are either all on the same team after Cruz leaves or we are going to be the redheaded step children some of you like to beat on for interjecting thoughts into a discussion. There wasn't any level of alternate motives in my post, so there was no need for you to react that way. You don't seem to like me and want to come after me and that's fine, but if my fate is tied to Trump in November it's in the same boat as you and if it goes down we all go down together. What base do we have to worry about if Trump moves center left like that article suggested? Who does Trump need to strengthen ties to instead of validating their fears and pushing them over the ledge? Starting out, how about the base that stayed home for McCain and Romney? They were enough to swing at least the election in 2012 and the level of opposition wasn't close to what Trump has. Starting out we have the pickiest voting base out there who are always willing to take our football and go home, but this year tensions and skepticism are already off the charts. This race is coming down to margins of 8% or less and I'm not going into the polls numbers, but unless you have your head in the sand you realize Trump has been hitting quadruple that in GOP negatives...not even talking about Never Trump...just negatives in state after state by source after source. You don't need a crystal ball to see if Trump moves center left he is going to confirm fears that all of this was a show and he really is a liberal progressive. If the Never Trump people aren't already going to be enough to throw the race the people he would drive home by moving center left would. The entire party is being hung together with superglue at this moment and we can't win without each other. He isn't going to get all of the Never Trump people and he doesn't have to in order to win. I would say a lot of GOP voters don't like him, but would see the choice in November and suck it up. If that is going to happen the first thing he needs to do is not put any more holes in the boat because we are taking on water as it is. He needs to let the skeptical GOP voters see the difference between him and Hillary not move closer to her. | |||
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| In the yahd, not too fah from the cah  |
I've seen a lot of hardcore Bernie people say that if Hillary get's the democratic nomination they're voting for Trump if he is the GOP nominee. Let's hope they're not lying. | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
Wow. I haven't heard that one but I could see it. I have heard people say if Hillary is the nominee they will stay home. | |||
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Republican Voter Turnout 1948 Dewey 21,991,292 1952 Eisenhower 34,075,529 1956 Eisenhower 35,579,180 1960 Nixon 34,108,157 1964 Goldwater 27,175,754 1968 Nixon 31,783,783 1972 Nixon 47,168,710 1976 Ford 39,148,634 1980 Reagan 43,903,230 1984 Reagan 54,455,472 1988 Bush 48,886,097 1992 Bush 39,104,550 1996 Dole 39,197,469 2000 Bush 50,456,002 2004 Bush 62,040,610 post 9/11 2008 McCain 59,948,323 2012 Romney 60,933,500 Do you even have a clue? McCain & Romney had no problem turning out the Republican base. They were only surpassed by Bush 43's post 9/11 turnout. | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
http://www.indystar.com/story/...ndorsement/83697052/ Indiana Gov. Mike Pence will endorse U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz in the Republican presidential contest at noon today, just days before Indiana's critical Tuesday primary. adding: Gov Pence: “I’m not against anybody but I will be voting for Ted Cruz in the upcoming Republican primary,” Pence said on Greg Garrison’s radio program on WIBC. “I see Ted Cruz as a principled conservative who has dedicated his career to [advancing] the Reagan agenda,” he added. Pence did not denigrate Trump as he endorsed Cruz. "I particularly want to commend Donald Trump who I think has given voice the frustration of millions of working Americans,” he said, also praising Trump for fighting for American jobs. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballo...-pence-endorses-cruz | |||
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We are at yet another strange stage of the primary. We have Cruz claiming that the “whole spectrum” of the Republican party is behind him in his effort to show that he will unify the party. But, Boehner is now calling Cruz, Lucifer, saying that he would never vote for Cruz. Trump is now getting more of the GOP to line up behind him as well as what will be the largest number of voters backing any Republican primary contestant ever. It looks like he is pulling the Party together. But, it is slosh time. Cruz now claims that if the GOP starts to line up behind Trump in a unity effort, it shows that Trump is not an outsider. But, Cruz’ GOP support will be cast as proof that Cruz has sold out to the GOP and is not a true outsider or, at least, shows that Cruz is not truthful about his ability to unify the party because large factions will not support him. Somehow, Indiana is likely to feel like trying to take a small boat out through the breakers. Chaotic. Dangerous. Threatening. I am anxious to get Indiana behind us. Pence is supposed to support Cruz and Bobby Knight is supporting Trump. I suppose it is all the more interesting because if Trump prevails, the party will most likely close in to support him. I suppose for Cruz supporters this will always show that Trump wasn’t a true outsider all along. But, I doubt Cruz has converted many people to his doctrinaire orthodoxy along the way. As many things in politics, each side will declare victory no matter who wins and join to fight again on another day. For now, though, there’s going to be a lot of froth and wave action in Indiana as we ultimately back anyone but Hillary. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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| Rule #1: Use enough gun |
Sniff....sniff..... Smells like payoff. Hope Carly enjoyed being Cruz's "running mate" for two whole days.  When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21 "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush | |||
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In an earlier post in this thread I gave a link to a report that the Wisconsin GOP had pushed Cruz people aside in picking the actual delegates. (Cruz won Wisconsin.) I think that report was not true. Sorry for the confusion. http://host.madison.com/wsj/ne...78-390f6e5b1503.html Under state GOP rules, the Cruz campaign got to pick the 18 at-large delegates after Cruz won a decisive victory on April 5. Those delegates are bound to vote for Cruz at the convention unless he gets less than 30 percent of the vote on a ballot. Other states’ delegates are unbound after the first ballot, which means Wisconsin’s delegation won’t likely factor into any political intrigue if the nominee isn’t decided in the first round. | |||
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| Partial dichotomy |
I'm disappointed that Pence will announce his support for Cruz, but think he's covering his bases by still making positive statements for Trump. I'll be voting on Tuesday! SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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| Only the strong survive |
Yep...match made in heaven....or the dating game show. The Trump train is starting to load up and a few more passenger cars may need to be added. Nice to see a plan coming together.  41 41 | |||
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| NRA Benefactor Life Member |
I'll take Bobby Knight over Pence any day... | |||
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Patent Pending |
Ted Cruz Under Fire Over Adviser Who Wants Abortion Providers To Be Executed So much for his women vote Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and other abortion rights groups are calling on Ted Cruz to fire the co-chair of his national “Pro-Lifers for Cruz” coalition who has said that abortion providers should be executed. Troy Newman, who endorsed Cruz last year, wrote in his 2003 book that the entire country is “blood-guilty” for its failure to kill “abortionists.” In January, Cruz announced that Newman, the president of the far-right anti-abortion group Operation Rescue and a board member of the Center for Medical Progress, would be leading his campaign’s anti-abortion crusade. Thursday’s open letter, signed by Planned Parenthood Action Fund, NARAL Pro-Choice America, and People for the American Way, urges Cruz to remove Newman from the campaign. “There are wide-ranging beliefs about abortion in our country, but no one who has said it’s the government’s duty to execute abortion providers should have any place in a campaign for our nation’s highest office,” the letter reads. In a statement, NARAL President Ilyse Hogue called Newman “an anti-choice extremist and misogynist ideologue who has argued that the murder of abortion providers is justified and that the attacks of 9/11 were retribution from God against legal abortion.” Newman has argued that his book was just a “theological study” and that his writing does not constitute “advocating violence.” But then in 2003, he criticized the conviction of Paul Hill for murdering a Florida abortion doctor, saying that Hill should have been allowed to argue in court that “the killing of the abortionist was necessary to save the lives of the pre-born babies that were scheduled to be killed by abortion that day.” After Republican frontrunner Donald Trump said last month that women who have abortions should be punished, he faced sharp criticism from both sides of the aisle and almost immediately backed away from the remark. Cruz himself has never explicitly called for punishing women who seek abortions, but he has yet to condemn Newman, who has said that a woman who has an abortion should be considered a “murderer” and a “contract killer.” Instead, Cruz has touted Newman’s endorsement, saying in a statement in November that Newman “works tirelessly every day for the pro-life cause.” Last year, Australia deported Newman, refusing to allow him into the country on a speaking tour after politicians raised concerns that he might encourage violence against abortion providers or women seeking the procedure. In their letter this week, the abortion rights groups argue that Newman’s removal from Cruz’ campaign is essential given the recent extreme uptick in violence, threats and disruption to abortion providers and clinics. In 2015, there were 94 direct threats of harm to abortion providers, up from only one case in 2014. There were also nine murder attempts reported in 2015, according to a recent report by the National Abortion Federation. Planned Parenthood has also accused Cruz of contributing to the “toxic environment” that has provoked attacks against abortion providers. Cruz is one of the leading lawmakers to go after and attempt to defund the women’s health organization in the Senate, saying there is “no doubt” it was caught “selling baby parts” in the Center for Medical Progress’ controversial, discredited videos. Planned Parenthood shooter, Robert Lewis Dear, reportedly told authorities “no more baby parts” after he killed three people at a clinic in Colorado Springs last November. The groups’ letter to the Cruz campaign comes just one day after the Texas senator named Carly Fiorina to be his hypothetical vice presidential pick, a move that he hoped would help him appeal to women turned off by Trump’s sexist rhetoric. In a statement yesterday, Planned Parenthood Action Fund Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens warned about what a Cruz and Fiorina ticket would mean for women’s access to health care. “Together, they form the most loathsome pair in America,” she said. ************************************************* NRA Life Member Capital punishment means never having to say, "You again?" | |||
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Remember, Congress pulled the funding so that he could not intervene. | |||
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