Originally posted by maximus_flavius: I'm thinking at the convention, the Establishment will use Cruz to keep Trump from winning 1237 in round 1, then fuck over Cruz in round 2, then round 3 put out their own nominee (Mittens or Ryan).
Yes, I think this is exactly their corrupt plan. And I think Ryan is their intended butt boy.
They can't help being obvious about what they intend. They are desperate. They have no choice but to try this, because nothing matters to them-- not the party, not the country-- nothing matters except holding on to their source of money and power.
I have no idea if this is their plan or not. But rest assured they do have a plan, and that plan has nothing to do with the will of the people.
Either Trump or Cruz will at some point likely find themselves in a position where it is mathematically impossible for them to reach 1,237. At that point, that candidate should bow out and let the other lock it in so that shenanigans at the convention aren't even a possibility.
We don't have to wait on the convention, Cruz's team is already hard at work to upset the convention and circumvent voters will by going after delegates that should be committed to the winner of the primary in the state of AZ
Cruz supporters can stand high and mighty on any post they wish, and shout, "but those are the rules" then somehow try and label the RNC as unscrupulous if the RNC brokers the convention, which "are the rules"
Cruz will work back room deals and party favors for delegates to support him, and as such becomes exactly the same type of politician his supports dislike and he disowns.
Irony..
April 04, 2016, 01:27 PM
JALLEN
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Originally posted by a1abdj:
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So we better hope and work for a Cruz nomination to come out of the convention.
Because Candidate number 4, based on the actual popular vote so far, has the best chance at winning.
I have no idea if this is their plan or not. But rest assured they do have a plan, and that plan has nothing to do with the will of the people.
Either Trump or Cruz will at some point likely find themselves in a position where it is mathematically impossible for them to reach 1,237. At that point, that candidate should bow out and let the other lock it in so that shenanigans at the convention aren't even a possibility.
It better have something to do with the "will of the people" because that's who is going to vote in November. There's no point thwarting the will of the people only to go down to ignominious defeat in November.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
April 04, 2016, 01:28 PM
a1abdj
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There's no point thwarting the will of the people only to go down to ignominious defeat in November.
I'm not so sure that the RNC wouldn't prefer Hillary over Trump or Cruz.
Originally posted by HRK: We don't have to wait on the convention, Cruz's team is already hard at work to upset the convention and circumvent voters will by going after delegates that should be committed to the winner of the primary in the state of AZ
Cruz supporters can stand high and mighty on any post they wish, and shout, "but those are the rules" then somehow try and label the RNC as unscrupulous if the RNC brokers the convention, which "are the rules"
Cruz will work back room deals and party favors for delegates to support him, and as such becomes exactly the same type of politician his supports dislike and he disowns.
Irony..
Well, what exactly is the problem with what Cruz is doing? He's being aggressive and he's fighting like crazy. He's clearly one of the top two and if Trump doesn't have the ground game or organizational strength to hold onto his delegates that should be on him for being weak.
The RNC would be throwing someone into the race that no one ever voted for, so it's different. Cruz isn't doing this just to beat Trump, he's gearing up to go toe to toe with the RNC as well. Instead of talking about how he's being mistreated Trump should put more time and money into doing what Cruz is doing. Cruz flew to North Dakota to fight for a handful of delegates while Trump decided to not show up. If he wants to win he is going to have to roll up his sleeves otherwise it's on him.
April 04, 2016, 01:52 PM
ersatzknarf
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I'm not so sure that the RNC wouldn't prefer Hillary over Trump or Cruz.
I believe the RNC have said that . . .
So, if Trump/Cruz go third party, is there a chance they can pull it off (he said, most hopefully) and stop the HillHag Beast ?
April 04, 2016, 01:52 PM
lbj
Wisconsin polls are all over the place.
Last week, Cruz up by ten in one poll. This week, Trump up by ten in a newer ARG poll.
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April 04, 2016, 01:54 PM
maximus_flavius
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Originally posted by a1abdj:Which could have easily been avoided to begin with by allowing a candidate to go to the convention with the 1,237+.
Who is not allowing a candidate to get 1237? The simple fact, I believe, is that with so many candidates it is impossible to get to 1237. If there's more than 2, it's not gonna happen.
But the Establishment will just change the rules anyway, if Trump has 1237 by the convention.
April 04, 2016, 01:54 PM
Ackks
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So, if Trump/Cruz go third party, is there a chance they can pull it off
I was learning about sore loser laws this morning and other than playing spoiler I can't see it working. Evidently, they can't even get their name on the ballot in many states if they ran in a primary.
April 04, 2016, 01:58 PM
ersatzknarf
Thank you.
Well, then, all the more reason that DT and TC need to start working together to overcome the problem that is the RNC.
I really hope that if the RNC should really try to pull some shenanigans that the revolt is swift and shockingly powerful!
April 04, 2016, 03:07 PM
Orguss
Scott Baio: "Obama is one of the most successful presidents we've ever had."
"I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes"
April 04, 2016, 03:20 PM
6guns
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Originally posted by Orguss: Scott Baio: "Obama is one of the most successful presidents we've ever had."
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April 04, 2016, 03:59 PM
46and2
Has anyone given a fuck about Scott Baio or what he thinks in decades?
April 04, 2016, 04:05 PM
Orguss
Did you bother watching the video? He makes a valid point.
"I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes"
April 04, 2016, 04:12 PM
JALLEN
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
April 04, 2016, 04:33 PM
P220 Smudge
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Originally posted by Orguss: Did you bother watching the video? He makes a valid point.
He may not have wanted to waste his time, given your headline quote, which was misleading.
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April 04, 2016, 04:43 PM
46and2
I didn't, Orguss. I'm allergic to celebrities pontificating about politics, and the older or less relevant they are the worse the allergies get. I'd react similarly to a Lucille Ball video, or one with Adam West, or Mary Tyler Moore, maybe Barbara Eden too. Them's the breaks. I'd forgotten he was even still alive anymore.
April 04, 2016, 05:06 PM
Czechvar
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Originally posted by 46and2: I didn't, Orguss. I'm allergic to celebrities pontificating about politics, and the older or less relevant they are the worse the allergies get. I'd react similarly to a Lucille Ball video, or one with Adam West, or Mary Tyler Moore, maybe Barbara Eden too. Them's the breaks. I'd forgotten he was even still alive anymore.
That video was worth watching. Scott Biao eloquently expressed exactly what I think. He is one of us...
April 04, 2016, 05:09 PM
Keystoner
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Originally posted by 46and2: I didn't, Orguss. I'm allergic to celebrities pontificating about politics, and the older or less relevant they are the worse the allergies get. I'd react similarly to a Lucille Ball video, or one with Adam West, or Mary Tyler Moore, maybe Barbara Eden too. Them's the breaks. I'd forgotten he was even still alive anymore.
Pretend it's not from Scott Baio. It Joe Conservative Citizen.
