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I don't want my politician to be anything like LBJ. I hope that dirtbag is rotting in hell.

What about when Republicans controlled EVERYTHING from 2000 - 2006? Tell me how they reduced taxes, simplified the tax code, enforced immigration policy, reduced big .gov, & otherwise expanded individual liberty.

What, they didn't? I guess they can't do anything, even when they control everything in .gov.

Face it, they don't want to reduce .gov. They want more of it also, just like the Dems.
 
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He was a complete weasel in every sense, but very effective at getting things through the Senate, whether you agreed with him or not.

Sounds like Harry Reid.



I don't know much about Reid, but I have read extensively about LBJ, shook his hand a couple of times, saw him in person several dozen times, grew up in so-called LBJ Country, knew lots of people who knew him well, heard the stories, pro and con. The LBJ Library is built on top of where I lived in college for a spell. I went to school with his daughter. I'm not an admirer in the usual sense but do recognize that he was a very unusual and effective character, at what he wanted to do.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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And actually I don't think you are generally satisfied with Boehner's and McConnell's actions...


"Not at all. I don't think, from what I can see and understand about the process, incomplete and inexperienced as I am, that McConnell has sold out as some have said, and neither has Boehner."

Oh.


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On issues where 60 votes can shut debate, they can proceed, get a vote and be on their way. Don't think Harry Reid got everything his way as he liked. He had the same rules until they changed them last Congress. Thankfully, the new leadership returned the rules to the traditional ones, consistent with the opposition they had when the God Damned Commies changed them.


Sorry Jim, I gotta disagree on this point. Wasn't this the much ballyhooed "Nuclear Option"? Didn't Dirty Harry use this to shut off debate that he didn't want to happen? While the current crop of Republicans may have taken the "higher road", they appear weak. If it's good enuff for the proverbial goose, why not for the gander? They need to play by the same rules the Dems play by when they are in control.

To quote Marsellus Wallace, "Time to go mid-evil on their asses".

My apologies if this is not to what you are referring to. My knowledge of Senate rules and procedures is pretty limited.
 
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On issues where 60 votes can shut debate, they can proceed, get a vote and be on their way. Don't think Harry Reid got everything his way as he liked. He had the same rules until they changed them last Congress. Thankfully, the new leadership returned the rules to the traditional ones, consistent with the opposition they had when the God Damned Commies changed them.


Sorry Jim, I gotta disagree on this point. Wasn't this the much ballyhooed "Nuclear Option"? Didn't Dirty Harry use this to shut off debate that he didn't want to happen? While the current crop of Republicans may have taken the "higher road", they appear weak. If it's good enuff for the proverbial goose, why not for the gander? They need to play by the same rules the Dems play by when they are in control.

To quote Marsellus Wallace, "Time to go mid-evil on their asses".

My apologies if this is not to what you are referring to. My knowledge of Senate rules and procedures is pretty limited.


Changing the rules was disreputable, devious, disgraceful, shameful. I'd prefer not to have my guys do things like that. We're right on the issues, we're right on American values, we're right on integrity (with some unfortunate examples to the contrary). Remember Abscam, and other examples of God Damned Commie perfidy.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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We are at war for the future of this country screw being nice. We will lose for sure playing poker against a cheat when we don't even stop his open cheating. That's ok, just keep the 6 Aces we will play nice. Eek

Fight to win!

Sorry Jallen remember its all a game, you thinking what you do is exactly what they want.

They could definitely do something besides being cheerleaders for Barry.


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We are at war for the future of this country screw being nice.


I think they are happy to have it look like they are being nice.

I think it's worse than that.


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The LBJ Great Society makes me sick. & him saying “I’ll have those n_____s voting Democratic for the next 200 years” is disgraceful, on many levels. I wouldn't vote for him, then or now.

We have been being nice for a long time & losing. Our country is far worse off for it. We must have people who will take every advantage they can to return our freedom.
 
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Well, we must have someone who can return our freedom, anyway. I'm really not all that particular whether they stroke the rest of the government into line, smack the rest of the government into line, or, perhaps best of all, either stroke or smack the rest of government as indicated. All I really want is the job done, done right, and done yesterday.
 
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All through history, our politics has reflected more or less the will of the people. When prohibition gained in support, it was implemented. When that lost support, it died, although some states still had substantial restriction. Civil rights, welfare, war on poverty, all have had wide public support, although not nearly unanimous. When the war in VN lost public support, it came to an end, albeit not right away while the debate raged.

What the current situation tells us is that right now, many of our ideas and preferences do not enjoy sufficiently wide spread support to become law, while other ideas, which many of us aren't too keen on, appear to have such support.

Ordinary people don't worry so much about liberty. They aren't in a position to benefit from it much. They want the government to help put Grandma in a nursing home, pay for Jr. to go to school whether he wants to or not, get daughter Susie a free or low cost abortion when she ends up pregnant, and provide unemployment benefits when pop's job is lost. Keep interest rates and gas prices low so they can have that super cab dually that gets 8 mpg.

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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On issues where 60 votes can shut debate, they can proceed, get a vote and be on their way. Don't think Harry Reid got everything his way as he liked. He had the same rules until they changed them last Congress. Thankfully, the new leadership returned the rules to the traditional ones, consistent with the opposition they had when the God Damned Commies changed them.


Sorry Jim, I gotta disagree on this point. Wasn't this the much ballyhooed "Nuclear Option"? Didn't Dirty Harry use this to shut off debate that he didn't want to happen? While the current crop of Republicans may have taken the "higher road", they appear weak. If it's good enuff for the proverbial goose, why not for the gander? They need to play by the same rules the Dems play by when they are in control.

To quote Marsellus Wallace, "Time to go mid-evil on their asses".

My apologies if this is not to what you are referring to. My knowledge of Senate rules and procedures is pretty limited.


Changing the rules was disreputable, devious, disgraceful, shameful. I'd prefer not to have my guys do things like that. We're right on the issues, we're right on American values, we're right on integrity (with some unfortunate examples to the contrary).
And we're having our asses handed to us at almost every turn by the most incompetent president in history and the most corrupt Democratic minority in history. McConnell didn't have or need to change the senate rules, Dirty Harry already had changed them, and you can bet your bottom dollar that as soon as the Dem's own the senate majority again, they'll change them right back to Harry's version.

I guess if fighting by the Marquess of Queensbury rules and getting your head bashed in constantly, even though you're in the right on the issues, is Ok by some, its not Ok by me. These worthless Repub's need to ditch the gloves and the rule book, and start fighting to win. Either that, or they need to get the hell out of the way so someone else can take over who will. It's damn sure certain the Dem's are playing to win, whatever the costs.

And for the record, the reason conservative values and ideas don't enjoy the support they deserve right now, is because we don't have a group of principled leaders in Washington willing or able to sell those ideas to the masses. Again, even I'm shocked at the anger and disgust Trump has been able to tap into, and it all flows from the McConnell and Boehner types in Washington.


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These worthless Repub's need to ditch the gloves and the rule book, and start playing to win.


That is a more favorable way to interpret their actions than my own interpretation. They don't WANT to win. On the closing of the border, for instance, they are in the hip pocket of the Chamber of Commerce and other big money Republicans who want the border open. So they come out and face the cameras and wring their hands and say, "Gosh, we really tried to close the border but those darn Democrats...."

Bullshit.

They are weak alright, but they are weak and corrupt. And Trump has come out and called them on it.


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Trump May Be Soaring In The Polls, But The Bookies Aren't So Sure

At 1000-to-1, Kim Kardashian is an outsider in the race to be the next US President but perhaps most notable in the odds that bookies are willing to offer is the 7th place that Donald Trump ranks (at 18-to-1 or just a 5% probability of winning), below GOP rivals such as Jeb Bush (23% probabiity) and Marco Rubio (11% probability). Trump even ranks below Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden according to where the money is being bet! Of course, Hillary remains the odds-on favorite at 10/11 (or 52% probability).



Despite Ranking in Pole Poll Position among GOP candidates, bookies remain unimpressed...

Source: PaddyPower

So if - as Trump always explains - you put your money where your mouth is, the bookies appear far less exuberant about Trumps #1 GOP poll position

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...ookies-arent-so-sure



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Trump even ranks below Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden according to where the money is being bet! Of course, Hillary remains the odds-on favorite at 10/11 (or 52% probability).

Funny how their assessment matches up pretty neatly with who's gotten how many campaign donations. I think these guys are just assuming that money is the one measure of commitment because that's the easiest way to calculate the over/under.
 
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They are being paid to be leaders, and they're not. Part of that job includes persuasion.

I don't even think they try. They're simply going through the motions.



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I'm curious why Trump is getting such major support from Sarah Palin. I don't see why she is going all in for someone who has very little in common with her brand of conservatism.
 
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I'm curious why Trump is getting such major support from Sarah Palin. I don't see why she is going all in for someone who has very little in common with her brand of conservatism.
If you lived in a town named Moose Balls, you'd be disoriented, too.
 
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I'm curious why Trump is getting such major support from Sarah Palin. I don't see why she is going all in for someone who has very little in common with her brand of conservatism.
If you lived in a town named Moose Balls, you'd be disoriented, too.

Ok that's funny shit! Big Grin


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MEET THE PRESS AUG 10 2015, 7:10 AM ET
Donald Trump Still in the Lead After Debates: New NBC News/Survey Monkey Poll

Donald Trump on Megyn Kelly Comments: 'I Said Nothing Wrong' 2:59
If Donald Trump's comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly are hurting his standing in the Republican primary, it's not showing in the numbers.
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According to the latest NBC News Online Poll conducted by SurveyMonkey, Trump is at the top of the list of GOP candidates that Republican primary voters would cast a ballot for if the primary were being held right now.

The overnight poll was conducted for 24 hours from Friday evening into Saturday. During that period, Donald Trump stayed in the headlines due to his negative comments about Kelly and was dis-invited from a major conservative gathering in Atlanta.

None of that stopped Trump from coming in at the top of the poll with 23 percent. Sen. Ted Cruz was next on the list with 13 percent.

During the Fox News debate Thursday evening, Trump was the only Republican candidate to say he would not rule out a run as an independent candidate. According to this poll, that's just fine with over half of his supporters.

Fifty-four percent of Trump supporters said they would vote for him for president, even if he didn't win the GOP nomination. About one in five Trump supporters said they would switch and support the eventual Republican candidate.

NBC News Online Poll Conducted By Survey Monkey
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The surprise result from the poll might have been businesswoman Carly Fiorina's performance. Twenty-two said she won the debate, besting Trump, Sen. Marco Rubio and Cruz.

In overall support, she came in fourth with eight percent of Republican primary voters saying they would support her in a primary or a caucus. This may not seem like a lot, but she had a gain in support of six points, which was the second highest in the poll.

Fiorina may have benefited from stepped up media coverage due to her performance in the so-called "Happy Hour" debate that aired on Thursday before the prime-time event.Facebook Twitter Google PlusEmbed
Donald Trump on Megyn Kelly Comments: 'I Said Nothing Wrong' 2:59
If Donald Trump's comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly are hurting his standing in the Republican primary, it's not showing in the numbers.

According to the latest NBC News Online Poll conducted by SurveyMonkey, Trump is at the top of the list of GOP candidates that Republican primary voters would cast a ballot for if the primary were being held right now.

The overnight poll was conducted for 24 hours from Friday evening into Saturday. During that period, Donald Trump stayed in the headlines due to his negative comments about Kelly and was dis-invited from a major conservative gathering in Atlanta.

None of that stopped Trump from coming in at the top of the poll with 23 percent. Sen. Ted Cruz was next on the list with 13 percent.

NBC News Online Poll Conducted by Survey Monkey Graphic 1
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During the Fox News debate Thursday evening, Trump was the only Republican candidate to say he would not rule out a run as an independent candidate. According to this poll, that's just fine with over half of his supporters.

Fifty-four percent of Trump supporters said they would vote for him for president, even if he didn't win the GOP nomination. About one in five Trump supporters said they would switch and support the eventual Republican candidate.

NBC News Online Poll Conducted By Survey Monkey
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The surprise result from the poll might have been businesswoman Carly Fiorina's performance. Twenty-two said she won the debate, besting Trump, Sen. Marco Rubio and Cruz.

In overall support, she came in fourth with eight percent of Republican primary voters saying they would support her in a primary or a caucus. This may not seem like a lot, but she had a gain in support of six points, which was the second highest in the poll.

Fiorina may have benefited from stepped up media coverage due to her performance in the so-called "Happy Hour" debate that aired on Thursday before the prime-time event.
 
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I wonder is these brilliant news people are ever going to figure this out. We don't love Trump. We love what Trump is saying. Get it, nimrods? Roll Eyes
 
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