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Am I the only one who doesn't believe any of them for having belief or conviction in any of their positions? If pressure and popular opinion and/or circumstances put them in a tough enough spot, I believe they'll flip, or at least bend. I think maybe Sanders truly believes. But that's a bad thing so, I don't necessarily want the most honest man in this race. Smile

So this leads to the question, how do you pick? Well there you have to go with their current default path. And for that, Trump is exhibiting some pretty "right" stuff. Do I think he believes it? No. But I don't think he truly believed anything he said on taped and papers dug up from the past either.

This presidential race is a circus, but guess it's wrong to believe it hasn't been the same in the past. I do wish we had better choices. I can't say I like the candidate.




 
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Yup, today is the day. Hot damn.



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I started voting way back in the sixties,that
said ,I am excited this time.
That excitement I have never felt till Trump.
This time it is not the ho hum bullshit the rnc has pushed down my throat like so many elections in the past.
I have never voted early till this time.
Looking forward to him tearing rnc a new asshole.
 
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I too, have been voting since 1967, never missed an election.

This year I am going to the Minnesota Republican Caucus to support and speak for Cruz. To me, he is in no way the perfect candidate but the least of the three evils.

I will let it be known that I will support the hell out of whoever is nominated and would vote for toe fungus before I vote for Clinton.

BTW, why do most refer to the male candidates by their last name and the lone female by her first? (Except for Sanders, of course)
 
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I will let it be known that I will support the hell out of whoever is nominated and would vote for toe fungus before I vote for Clinton.


Although I believe many of the voters feel this way, it is increasingly apparent that the powers that be in Washington don't. Whether it be Trump or Cruz as the nominee they will try to derail either in hopes of a Hilary win. This will allow them to say "see, you NEED to keep voting for us to stay in Congress so we can keep her in check the next four years!".

If their guy Rubio is not on the ballot come November, their support will be non-existent.
 
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But it is not Trump's turn, dammit. He has to wait his turn. Smile
 
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I hear that the Washington Post is coming out with an article that reveals that Trump dyes his hair.

Desperate times for desperate measures.


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Posts: 14186 | Location: Tampa, Florida | Registered: December 12, 2003Report This Post
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now Paul Ryan is attacking Trump about the fabricated KKK horseshit

We have fallen a long long way in this country.

I don't know how much we can take back, but I am ready for the fight.
 
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I've been seeing articles and posts on FB and elsewhere that a panicked, desperate GOP Establishment may try an end-run around Trump with some brokered convention chicanery?

They better not play around with some dirty, Democrat-style, backroom deal bullshit or they are going to piss off millions of people here!


 
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now Paul Ryan is attacking Trump about the fabricated KKK horseshit
What are we talking about? The David Duke endorsement?
 
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Good read from Ben Domenech at The Federalist:

Thunderdome: Gone Savage For Trump


On Face the Nation this Sunday, I attempted to explain the 2016 cycle in 40 seconds. Pull back from the close ups on Donald J. Trump’s tweets, and the political realignment we are experiencing becomes obvious and impossible to ignore. The post-Cold War left-right politics of the nation have been breaking down in slow motion for two decades. They are now being replaced by a different type of inside-outside politics.

The Trump phenomenon is neither a disease nor a symptom – he is instead the beta-test of a cure that the American people are trying out. It won’t work. But this is where our politics are going: working and middle class Americans are reasserting themselves against a political and cultural establishment that has become completely discredited over time and due to their own actions.

Of course, as one more sign of how weak the establishment is, elected Republicans are the last people in the world to understand what’s going on. “While still hopeful that Mr. Rubio might prevail, Mr. McConnell has begun preparing senators for the prospect of a Trump nomination, assuring them that, if it threatened to harm them in the general election, they could run negative ads about Mr. Trump to create space between him and Republican senators seeking re-election.

“Mr. McConnell has raised the possibility of treating Mr. Trump’s loss as a given and describing a Republican Senate to voters as a necessary check on a President Hillary Clinton, according to senators at the lunches. He has reminded colleagues of his own 1996 re-election campaign, when he won comfortably amid President Bill Clinton’s easy re-election. Of Mr. Trump, Mr. McConnell has said, “We’ll drop him like a hot rock,” according to his colleagues.”

This is madness, of course. Assuming he is the nominee, attacking Trump and embracing Hillary Clinton by extension will hurt you both with Trump supporters and with conventional conservatives. Instead, Republican Senators should run as principled conservatives who will keep President Trump honest.

If you had said a year ago that the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for president was endorsed in the same weekend by Jeff Sessions and Chris Christie, it would sound like a big tent kind of candidate, wouldn’t it? Well, the Republican Party is a big tent party, and it is adapting to be a bigger tent – encompassing supporters of Paul Ryan and of Donald Trump.

This is not a temporary adjustment. It is a new reality, as Angelo Codevilla writes today. “America is now ruled by a uniformly educated class of persons that occupies the commanding heights of bureaucracy, of the judiciary, education, the media, and of large corporations, and that wields political power through the Democratic Party. Its control of access to prestige, power, privilege, and wealth exerts a gravitational pull that has made the Republican Party’s elites into its satellites.

“This class’s fatal feature is its belief that ordinary Americans are a lesser intellectual and social breed. Its increasing self-absorption, its growing contempt for whoever won’t bow to it, its dependence for votes on sectors of society whose grievances it stokes, have led it to break the most basic rule of republican life: deeming its opposition illegitimate.”

Democrats and Republicans who still think that this is a phase – a fever they just need to wait out before a return to normalcy – are utterly delusional. They keep talking about voters “waking up” to realize that Trump is a bad choice – but the whole reason Trump is the choice is because voters believe they have woken up to the truth about the American leadership class. The old order is breaking down, thanks to Iraq. Katrina. The financial crisis. The failed stimulus. Obamacare’s launch. The Tea Party. Occupy Wall Street. Sanders. Trump. The American people are trying to find a new way, and they are looking for outsiders to lead them through the wasteland.

To the establishment, this breakdown looks like chaos. It looks like savagery. It looks like a man with a flamethrowing guitar playing death metal going a hundred miles an hour down Fury Road. But to the American people, it looks like democracy. Something new will replace the old order, and there are a host of smart, young leaders on all sides who must prove they have the capability to figure out how to create or retrofit institutions that can represent and channel this new energy.

In ten years, the Republican and Democratic parties may still exist – but they could look as different from what they were in 2012 as the difference between Tower Records and iTunes.
 
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What are we talking about? The David Duke endorsement?



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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/...trump-kkk/index.html

House Speaker Paul Ryan called out Donald Trump on Tuesday for failing to denounce white supremacist groups over the weekend.

"If a person wants to be the nominee of the Republican Party, there can be no evasion and no games. They must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. This party does not prey on people's prejudices," Ryan told reporters on Capitol Hill.

Congressional Democrats also began to seize on the issue Tuesday to argue that Trump's views represented his party as a whole.

"The leading Republican presidential candidate's refusal to disavow the KKK was a breathtaking low-point for our country," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said in a statement. "Yet while Donald Trump's radical agenda does not reflect the values of the American people, it is a perfect reflection of many in the House Republican Conference."

In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper on Sunday, Trump declined to disavow support from David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, claiming he didn't know anything about the group.
 
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What are we talking about? The David Duke endorsement?
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Then, it's a non-issue.
 
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now Paul Ryan ....


Paul Ryan has no right to criticize anyone after he gave away the store. bastard.

Paul Ryan is one of the reasons republicans are voting for Trump. We are tired of republicans like Paul Ryan. Mad



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I posted an article and then saw that ChicagoSigMan had already posted it above.

That is a very good article.

I didn't understand the sentence "It won't work". That seemed out of place or maybe I am missing something.

But other than that it reflects my view of "a new reality".
 
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I posted an article and then saw that ChicagoSigMan had already posted it above.
I didn't understand the sentence "It won't work". That seemed out of place or maybe I am missing something.


"The Trump phenomenon is neither a disease nor a symptom – he is instead the beta-test of a cure that the American people are trying out. It won’t work."

What he is saying is that Trump is the beta-test of a cure that we are trying out and that the cure won't work.

I hope he is wrong about that, but only time will tell.
 
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How the GOP Insiders Plan to Steal the Nod From Trump

by Roger Stone and Ed Martin 1 Mar 2016
Breitbart

“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” – Eric Hoffer

Despite a growing string of victories in the Republican primaries ,the DC-Wall Street cabal that has dominated the GOP since 1988 has no intention of letting the billionaire real estate mogul be nominated. None other than Karl Rove has insisted the stop-Trump effort is not too late and can succeed.


A new superPAC has dumped $10 million dollars into blistering negative TV ads against Trump in the last three days. The Koch brothers and their associates deny funding the effort but they denials are questionable at best. The New York Times reported Sunday that the Rubio and Kasich campaigns are now openly planning on a ‘brokered convention” to stop Trump in the back rooms in Cleveland. The New York Daily News reported that Barbara Bush has vowed revenge against Trump for ending the “low energy” campaign of her son Jeb, the anointed one and that the Bush clan is all-in in the effort to stop Trump. The News reported that Jeb may transfer the $25 to $30 million in SuperPAC funds he has left to an anti-Trump effort.


The power-brokers short term game is clear; stall Trump just short of the magic number of delegates needed to be nominated on the first ballot with the knowledge that many delegates bound on the first ballot by Trump primary and caucus victories would be unbound on a second ballot. Much in the way the RNC stacked the galleries with anti-Trump partisans in the last two debates, anti-Trump quislings are be planted in various delegations that will be free to betray Trump on subsequent ballots.


If Cruz prevails in Texas and Kasich can hold Ohio the insiders game of “keep away “could get some legs. The cabal of billionaires who are bankrolling Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) have served notice on the young Senator that he must win his home state of Florida on March 15 or get the hook. Mitt Romney, who passed up the 2016 race because he deemed Jeb Bush unstoppable (!) is suited up to enter late primaries in California, New Jersey and elsewhere in the hopes that the party would turn to him on a second ballot. This explains why Romney has suddenly emerged as a twitter critic of Trump’s chiding him for not releasing his tax returns in the middle of an IRS audit and not renouncing the support of former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke fast enough.


The Republican nomination process was already rigged: the campaigns of the four early states (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada) have been traditionally controlled by high paid consultants and party leaders who convince candidates to spend hundreds of millions on media, staff and early state “necessities.” The big money needed has to come from somewhere–namely from special interests who demand loyalty on key issues: government handouts/bailouts, open borders, and especially big government. The demands of early big money usually clear the field of anyone unacceptable to the Republican Racketeers: when Newt or Santorum didn’t play along in 2012, they were swamped under by big money.


In 2016, Trump doesn’t need the racketeers money because he has the Republican grassroots, but the racketeers have one last play: fix the Rules of the Conventions. For example, do you know how many delegates Trump must get to be nominated for president today? Zero. Cruz, Rubio, and all the rest? Also zero. Why? Because the Rule that allows them to be nominated (Rule 40) requires “permanently seated delegates” for nomination. But that won’t happen until the Credentials Committee meets at the convention!


Then there is rule 40-B.Please note that Rule 40 as it is currently written expires on the day before the convention when the Rules Committee meets to make up the new Rules of the Convention and for the Republican Party for the next 4 years. Rule 40-B currently requires a nominee to have “the “majority of the permanently seated delegates from at least 8 states.” Romney lawyer Ben Ginsberg was able to change Rule 40 from “plurality of the delegates from at least 5 states” to the current rule. The potential for skullduggery is clear. Even if Trump runs the tables in the primaries winning a plurality in virtually every state the rule can be tailored by a controlled Rules Committee to prevent a Trump nomination.


Rule 40-B used to require a majority in six states but when Congressman Ron Paul met that goal it was quickly changed to eight states. Under control of the insiders the number of states required can be amended to any number to block Trump.


Also, the goal of the extended nomination process will be to make it so either no one gets to eight states (or what ever number the establishment changes it to) Then, under the guise of letting “the voters be heard”, the Rules committee will make a more lax Rule 40. After all, Cruz and Rubio and Romney “deserve to be nominated,” they will argue. Romney will enter the late primaries because he is concerned that Rule 40 B will be changed to allow only those who won some delegates from voters in the states to be considered and because he might stand a better chance of chiseling delegates from Trump in late “’winner take all” primaries than the hapless Rubio.


Surely the party pros know that a nomination wrenched from the hands of Donald Trump would be worthless but they don’t care. The ruling elite that has dominated the party would rather have globalist Hillary Clinton than the uncontrollable nationalist Donald Trump. The idea of a president not beholden to the ruling elite is more than they can stand.


There are many great aphorisms in politics but this one may be the key to who ends up President: he who knows the rules, rules. Right now, it’s Reince and the Racketeers who know them best. Beware Republicans: the big steal is coming.


Roger Stone is a New York Times Bestselling Author and longtime political strategist and Ed Martin is the President of Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum and immediate past Chairman of the Missouri Republican Party



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^^^ I'll tell everyone how I voted today....I voted for Cruz, but if this underhanded shit plays out and Trump is denied the nomination, I will vote for Hillary....and every other Democratic candidate after that.



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If the Party pulls some monkey business, regarding any candidate, I will spend the rest of my days trying to (peacefully, legally) destroy them at every single turn.

I will not, under any circumstances, tolerate some fuckfaces usurping the will of the people by some backroom machinations intended to maintain the status quo.

From my perspective, all eyes are on the RNC and those currently in power. They will either let the election happen or they will reveal themselves as traitors, in my opinion.
 
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I will let it be known that I will support the hell out of whoever is nominated and would vote for toe fungus before I vote for Clinton.


Although I believe many of the voters feel this way, it is increasingly apparent that the powers that be in Washington don't. Whether it be Trump or Cruz as the nominee they will try to derail either in hopes of a Hilary win. This will allow them to say "see, you NEED to keep voting for us to stay in Congress so we can keep her in check the next four years!".

If their guy Rubio is not on the ballot come November, their support will be non-existent.


Did not Mitch Mc Stupid say he would rather let a democraP be put in the white house than Trump?

I think that says it all.

If Trump gets elected, I wonder what the GOPe in the house and senate will do. Side with the democraPs on every issue, just to make Trump's job as hard as possible?

Would not put it past him, or the rest of the GOPe either.


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