I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

With strict voter laws, I believe one will.

sdy, thanks for the ongoing analysis.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

With strict voter laws, I believe one will.

sdy, thanks for the ongoing analysis.

I agree. We need only to subtract the projected illegal alien vote and the felon vote from Hildabeast's raw totals and Trump would have won the popular vote. True the vote and we'd see an undistorted picture of what the citizenry wants.

Tangentially, I'll register my displeasure here at the media for pressing stories about the popular vote. It is only to drive a movement to eliminate the electoral college which provides a more fair representation for all of the State rather than just the most populated ones. A popular vote would disenfranchise most of the States eventually.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
On January 19th, we'll lock this thread. It's gotten so big, it's difficult to find things previously posted. The thread will be locked and pinned so that it remains visible for anyone who cares to review our odyssey.

On the same day, a new thread will be created: "The Trump Presidency"

Shaaa-weeet!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

Unless they change the Electoral College there won't be a need to. No sane republican candidate would waste a single dollar or a single hour campaigning in California, or New York for that matter. With those states written off and no attempt to campaign or influence them it is likely the dem candidate will always come close or surpass the rep in the popular vote.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

That's hard to say. Think of all the red voters in blue states that don't bother to vote simply because their vote (like mine) literally doesn't count. If it were based on popular vote, then those voters would have more reason to get out and vote.

Now, subtract voter fraud and that would shift things considerably, IMHO.

If it were based on popular vote, the candidates would spend more time in high population states and ignore the flyover states.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

Further to the note above indicating the vote totals in NY, CA and CT, Trump didn't bother to campaign in those states, because he knew the electoral votes there were out of reach. When asked about the popular vote totals, he explicitly stated he had an electoral vote strategy, not a popular vote strategy. Had he fought for votes in those states, he likely would have won some, but not enough to take the electoral votes there, so he focused on FL, OH, MI, PA, WI, etc.

It's about winning, not votes. If the electoral college goes away, the strategies will change, as will the vote totals in some very blue states. Just think, how many Republicans or conservatives don't bother going to the polls in those states where they know it doesn't matter to the outcome.

I lived in Massachusetts for half of my life, and I understand why Republicans don't vote there. I voted because I wanted to have my voice and vote heard, but sometimes there weren't even any republicans on the ticket other than the president, some poor sucker they talked into running against Ted Kennedy and a RINO for governor. It was really pretty hopeless since no one, except possibly the gov was going to win, and I understand whey a bunch of people stayed home. Popular vote would change that dynamic a lot. Those states aren't necessarily as blue as they look.

Guys, come on, I'm aware of all of that. I'm not saying a Republican will never win a Presidential election ever again; I'm simply pondering whether he will ever win the popular vote again considering the ever increasing amount of voter fraud, illegal immigrants, and minorities entering the country and gravitating towards these heavily blue states like California.

I couldn't care less about the popular vote as long as we keep winning the Electoral College.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

If Trump and the Republicans handle the next 4 years well, it may not even be close. A big if, I grant you, but getting GNP to 4% will cure a lot of what ails you. And remember, the left does not appear capable of understanding and admitting how and why they lost. The reaction thus far seems to be to move even farther left, eg. Ellison or Dean for DNC chair. Yeah, those morons need to keep thinking that's the solution. They need to continue to believe Sanders would have won.

I worry less about the popular vote than if Texas were to continue its trend toward becoming blue. With jobs and a good economy, red states like Texas become a flame for liberal moths who move there and who drag their failed politics with them.

Jim Webb applauds Donald Trump, says election shows Democrats have lost white working class



As many Democrats cope with their shock and dismay at Donald Trump’s victory, former U.S. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia on Tuesday saluted the president-elect, railed against elitism and accused his party of abandoning “white working people.”

Webb, who sought the Democratic nomination for president last year before dropping out and considering an independent run, made his first public remarks on the presidential outcome Tuesday while speaking at a foreign policy conference sponsored by The American Conservative magazine.

“I would like to salute Donald Trump for his tenacity and for the uniqueness of his campaign,” Webb said at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., adding that he hopes the election result will “provide us an opportunity to reject a new form of elitism that has pervaded our societal mechanisms.”

Webb, who completed one six-year term in the Senate and declined to run for re-election in 2012, was lightheartedly introduced by political writer Bill Kaufmann as a strong prospect for secretary of defense or secretary of state in a Trump administration.

A Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War who served as secretary of the Navy under President Ronald Reagan, Webb dodged questions about whether he would serve in a Trump administration if asked. He would not opine on the fitness of former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, both said to be under consideration for foreign policy positions in Trump’s Cabinet.

It’s unclear if Webb is under consideration for a Trump Cabinet post. He said Tuesday that Trump’s presidency, though it will occur in a deeply divided country, brings “an opportunity to reshape our national strategy in a way that otherwise has not been possible.” He called for a more focused foreign policy that clearly communicates American interests and how they will be defended. He criticized what he described as a vague, interventionist approach to world affairs driven by the “responsibility to protect” philosophy.

Webb opposed the invasion of Iraq and has repeatedly questioned the foreign policy expertise of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. In March, Webb said he would not vote for Clinton but didn’t rule out supporting Trump. On Tuesday, he declined to reveal how he had voted.

“My vote’s my business,” Webb said. “This is America.”

Webb called Trump an outsider who spoke truth to “hard-working people out in flyover land” who have been abandoned by both parties. But he focused much of his critique on the Democrats, whom he said have drifted from their historical position as the “party of Franklin Roosevelt.”

“That party descended from the party that had championed the rights of working people — regardless of race, creed, gender or any other differentiation — to the point that it made white working people their most convenient whipping posts. Particularly white males,” Webb said. “It’s clearer now than it was 10 years ago when I was trying to put this on the table.”

Webb bemoaned the trend of Democrats renaming their traditional Jefferson-Jackson dinners to disassociate from the legacies of the two slave-holding presidents, whom Webb called “two great Americans.” He also pointed to the controversy at the University of Virginia in which students and faculty asked President Teresa Sullivan to stop quoting Thomas Jefferson in her communications.

“He gave them their school,” Webb said. “This is sort of Orwellian to me. You can’t constantly reinvent your history in order to shape the issues of today.”

Webb said every racial group has “wildly successful people at the very top and desperately poor people at the bottom,” a reality he said is ignored by affirmative-action programs that he said have expanded beyond a noble goal of battling the legacy of African-American slavery to benefit anyone who is non-white.

“Using vague labels about race and ethnicity might satisfy the quotas of government programs, but they have very little to do with reality, whether it’s blacks in west Baltimore who have been ignored and left behind or whites in the hollows of West Virginia,” Webb said.

“Behind the veneer of diversity, there is an interlocking elite that has melded business, media and politics in a way we could never could before imagine. And many of these people also hold a false belief that they understand a society with which they have very little contact. And nothing has so clearly shown how wrong they are than the recent election of Donald Trump.”

http://www.roanoke.com/news/vi...2a-f4bf6d271222.html

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Guys, come on, I'm aware of all of that. I'm not saying a Republican will never win a Presidential election ever again; I'm simply pondering whether he will ever win the popular vote again considering the ever increasing amount of voter fraud, illegal immigrants, and minorities entering the country and gravitating towards these heavily blue states like California.

I couldn't care less about the popular vote as long as we keep winning the Electoral College.

Oh. I understand now. Given your clarification, I'd say it depends upon whether we have passed the tipping point and whether the Repubs are willing to do the right thing....also whether the Dems will successfully obstruct. So.....a definite maybe.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder if a Republican will ever win the popular vote ever again.

Unless they change the Electoral College there won't be a need to. No sane republican candidate would waste a single dollar or a single hour campaigning in California, or New York for that matter. With those states written off and no attempt to campaign or influence them it is likely the dem candidate will always come close or surpass the rep in the popular vote.

As mentioned, there's already a movement underway that has found an end-around, where they *effectively* neuter the EC by a coalition of participating States who pass identical legislation, and - they're already 61% toward their subversive goal:

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The bill has been enacted by 11 jurisdictions possessing 165 electoral votes—61% of the 270 electoral votes necessary to activate it, including four small jurisdictions (RI, VT, HI, DC), three medium- size states (MD, MA, WA), and four big states (NJ, IL, NY, CA). The bill has passed a total of 33 legislative chambers in 22 states—most recently by a bipartisan 40–16 vote in the Arizona House, a 28–18 vote in the Oklahoma Senate, a 57–4 vote in New York Senate, and a 37–21 vote in Oregon House.

As soon as / if enough States participate that equate to 270+ EC Votes, they will have effectively accomplished ending the Electoral College without Congress or an Amendment.

Source, and there are several.

The whole thing is predicated upon the Constitution itself, and the notion of States Rights, and as such - on the surface - has the appearance of being in line with conservative ideals:

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The U.S. Constitution (Article II, Section 1) gives the states exclusive control over awarding their electoral votes: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors...

Fighting it at the State level seems the only way to stop it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Guys, come on, I'm aware of all of that. I'm not saying a Republican will never win a Presidential election ever again; I'm simply pondering whether he will ever win the popular vote again considering the ever increasing amount of voter fraud, illegal immigrants, and minorities entering the country and gravitating towards these heavily blue states like California.

I couldn't care less about the popular vote as long as we keep winning the Electoral College.

This is exactly why the EC was chosen and enshrined in the Constitution, so small states would not be permanently neutralized by the large states. Winning the popular vote has never been the goal for winning. The winner has to get the EC votes.

Votes in the EC are distributed exactly as Congressional representation, one vote for each Congressman and one for each Senator. That way, you can't concentrate on NY and LA, Chicago and other large population centers and ignore the smaller areas.

As heard on the radio (KOGO 600) - the House Dems have sent Trump a letter demanding he change out the appointment Stephen Bannon.

My opinion, Trump needs to address this and quickly, somehthings along the lines of

"Dear Senator Reid,

I have received your request to replace the gentleman and passed this request to others who will be assisting me with my formal reply.

While there are many challenges I am facing with identifying a person for this position, I am certain my team and I can respond with a simple two word response after we decide if, in this case the best second word in the reply should be "you" or "ewe."

Regards,
DJT"

(Edited to add in Mr. Bannon's name)

Breitbart Preparing for Multi-Million Dollar Lawsuit Against Media Outlet That Called Them a 'White Nationalist' Website

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/c...ist-website-n2246198



The media has had a field day digging into Stephen Bannon's background after Trump appointed him to his White House cabinet. Journalists have been quick to quote those who argue that Bannon, the former executive chairman of Breitbart News, is an inappropriate choice for the White House because Breitbart has often espoused "alt-right" and "anti-semitic" views.

Breitbart News is now drafting a lawsuit against a "major media company" after the accusations, according to The Hill.

"Breitbart News Network, a pro-America, conservative website, is preparing a multi-million dollar lawsuit against a major media company for its baseless and defamatory claim that Breitbart News is a ‘white nationalist website,’” the statement reads.

Considering how many networks have been reporting on Bannon's supposedly controversial background, the list of defendants could be endless. Yet, considering that Brian Stelter did not even blink when he called Breitbart a "white nationalist" website over the weekend, CNN would have to be the frontrunner.

CNN has turned as radical as MSNBC.
Pathetic.
It was fun watching them squirm and cry for a few days but now it is just plain despicable.
I have never seen it much worse and Trump isn't in office yet or done anything yet.

somewhat OT, but the NC governor race is being contested.

The incumbent REP gov is losing, but claims of voter fraud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...s-about-to-get-ugly/

Attorney General Roy Cooper (D) has declared victory in his attempt to unseat embattled Gov. Pat McCrory (R).

Cooper declared victory early Wednesday with a 5,000-vote lead over McCrory out of 4.6 million votes cast. That's a 0.5 percentage point lead, and it's small enough that McCrory isn't willing to concede until thousands of provisional, absentee and military ballots are counted and the election results certified by state election officials

Throughout election night, it was clear this race was going to be a nail-biter. As top-of-the-ticket races in North Carolina quickly got called for Republicans (Donald Trump won the state by four percentage points and Sen. Richard Burr, a Republican, won reelection), the lead between McCrory and Cooper switched back and forth pretty much every time a batch of results came in.

McCrory had taken the lead when, just before midnight, 90,000 votes came in from the Democratic stronghold Durham County that boosted Cooper to what he claimed was victory.

In Durham County, three county election officials had to count votes by hand after several of their data storage cards malfunctioned.

When they finally submitted the county's 90,000 votes, McCrory's 60,000-vote lead evaporated to a 2,500 deficit. Cooper declared victory and McCrory cried foul soon after, according to the News & Observer, mentioning to supporters in a speech after midnight "the sudden emergence of over 90,000 votes" and promising to "check everything.

I have not doubt fraud was prevalent.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
CNN has turned as radical as MSNBC.
Pathetic.
It was fun watching them squirm and cry for a few days but now it is just plain despicable.
I have never seen it much worse and Trump isn't in office yet or done anything yet.

Expect to see a swell in shenaigans and all manner of efforts to undermine, or foul up the change of the balance of power by these people and those like them.

But it will fail.

A large percentage of America is sick and tired of this, and ven those who may have been against Trump, will change as they see and understand both how the lefests are playing the game, and how the reality of what those who voted Trump in, want for this country, to include those people on the left that are "salvagable".

The people that are in the middle, but left and right of center, are far greater in mumbers that the wacky freaks on the left that would drive good old planet earth into the nearest star if they thought it would put an end to one person on the right that opposes them.

Trump will build his administration and the government will be shaped, the pendelum will swing back, and things will get better.

But make mo mistake, there will be sabotures and haters that will make trouble. Of that, there will be no shortage.

But we are far better then what we could have seen.

Be grateful for good things, and be not content to suffer the bad.

We, the people... have the power to steer and direct our public servents to the good of this great land.

Grab 'em by the tiller!

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Originally posted by smschulz:
CNN has turned as radical as MSNBC.
Pathetic.
It was fun watching them squirm and cry for a few days but now it is just plain despicable .
I have never seen it much worse and Trump isn't in office yet or done anything yet.

I think we should have a national sporting event with the deplorables against the despicables. We all know that during the anthem the despicables will take a knee....