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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
This was posted by The Military Arms Channel on their Farcebruk page and elsewhere. Other 2A groups are picking this story up. It is the same disregard for the Administrative Procedures Act, the same disdain for the citizenry's ability to rely on statements approving or disapproving firearms, ammunition, or shooting sports as ATF's recent statements about pistol braces, how they outlawed bump stocks, and more, as far bask as I can recall. I strongly urge people to read this carefully and reach out to President Trump, Attorney General Barr, and your Congressional representation demanding they shut ATF down for once and all. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | ||
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Lead slingin' Parrot Head |
First the Honey Badger brace, and now the restriction on long heavy handgun importation...all occurring right before an election. There can be little doubt what the ATF is subjectively going after, while blatantly ignoring the APA or what it was intended to prevent I only hope that this latest onerous action produces more outrage and opposition response by gun owners than the Bump Stock or Honey Badger brace did. | |||
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This Best regards, Tom I have no comment at this time. | |||
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Bookers Bourbon and a good cigar |
Hopefully President Trump can bring this out of control agency under some form of 2A responsible leadership. If you're goin' through hell, keep on going. Don't slow down. If you're scared don't show it. You might get out before the devil even knows you're there. NRA ENDOWMENT LIFE MEMBER | |||
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Political Cynic |
The ATF needs to be crushed out of existence And it’s leadership should be behind bars. At the very least eliminate its rule making authority. And rescind every rule it’s made in the last 20 years | |||
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This is also how they do an end around Q's efforts and make all large format pistols verboten or require AOW stamps. Doesn't matter to them that the law doesn't restrict them. What's most concerning is that brace or no brace, all the sudden we'd be in posession of an NFA-controlled item? ATF cannot rewrite the law, only Congress can. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
And make the core finding of every letter responding to inquires as to legal status or interpretation of the law PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ON LINE AND SEARCHABLE BY SIMPLE KEYWORD SEARCH. Redact only that information necessary to protect personally identifiable information. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Lead slingin' Parrot Head |
Exactly. One of the points I was attempting to make is, despite the assertion by some, this is far broader than the ATF targeting one manufacturer (Q) or one model (Honey Badger). From the first inklings of this arbitrary subjective re-interpretation this past Summer until now, ATF has quietly been working towards this new administrative attack. It also appears that this is coming from ATF D.C., and not the Boston field office, and, if I understand the O.P. correctly, it also appears that ATF is pushing back against the DOJ oversight ruling. | |||
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Big Stack |
IIRC, the ATF was created by statute (the NFA), and could only be eliminated by statute (likely repealing he NFA.) This would likely require the Republicans to be holding the White House, House of Representatives, and the Senate (with a filibuster proof majority), if they'd even do it if they did. Looking at the current political situation, I don't see that happening any time soon. In point of fact, actually imposing the rules being discussed in incumbent on Biden getting elected. If the ATF wanted to mobilize pro-gun rights voters to get out for Trump, they're doing a pretty good job of it.
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Lead slingin' Parrot Head |
True...but, I'm going to repeat the point I made a couple weeks ago in one of the Honey Badger brace threads, the best time to act is NOW, right before a contentious election in which elected politicians and bureacrats are likely to be more responsive to voter complaints about vague arbitrary subjective actions occurring within their administration. If they want the votes before election day they better get off their asses and start knockin' heads inside their administration. Make no mistake, if President Trump wins re-election, he is going to be busy taking victory laps, replacing people in his administration, setting new agendas, dealing with ongoing high profile issues (C-19, riots, election litigation, domestic/ foreign affairs) etc...and while we, as gun owners understand how big an issue this is, it will quickly slide down the priority scale for President Trump to act on... ... however, if Biden should win he is much more likely to prioritize administrative actions like this...against gun owners. NOW is the time to start contacting the White House, contacting the DOJ, contacting senators and congressman, and contacting the NRA and other Pro-2A orgs. and expressing your outrage and opposition to these new arbitrary, subjective, capricious ATF actions. I have a senator up for re-election, and the President as well, and I plan on rattling the cage over this issue RTFNThis message has been edited. Last edited by: Modern Day Savage, | |||
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delicately calloused |
Unelected, unaccountable bureaucratic power of interpretation. That is the definition of tyranny. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Yew got a spider on yo head |
Damn right. | |||
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Absolutely right. | |||
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Perhaps as a work around they can re-locate their factories in the U.S.? CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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That's only one angle on this. It also affects all domestic production of large format pistols with assistive devices. To wit; Kalasknikov USA also got a Cease & Desist over their Komrad-12 which is a "firearm" over 26" OAL and has a brace and a less than 18" smooth bore 12ga barrel. Made in Florida. Their Congressman Rep Gaetz is the one who penned the letter to ATF this summer demanding an accounting for the overreaches.This message has been edited. Last edited by: PGT, | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
Turns out that Gaetz wasn't grandstanding and blowing smoke, after all. I was wrong for accusing him so. Q | |||
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Gaetz is my Congressman. Thus far I am pleased with his positions. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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We cannot keep saying “this won’t happen”. ATF has shown they are perfectly willing to either tax the heck out of us by broadening the NFA, make us criminals overnight, and or press their non-2a political creed as far and as often as possible. We definitely need politicians and courts mobilized to stop this and then further make it so it cannot happen again. My Congress critters know this from me and hopefully others...though those of us with Dim reps are a bit SOL. “Forigive your enemy, but remember the bastard’s name.” -Scottish proverb | |||
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Big Stack |
Let's be a little honest here, this isn't broadening the NFA. The NFA has clear requirements about short barreled rifles. They may be nonsensical, but they're quite definitely in there. By first allowing AR "pistols", and then the "stabilizing brace", they essentially created a loophole. They now seem to want to close the loophole. Of course, there are probably now seven figures of AR pistols out there, probably most with stabilizing braces. So by opening the loophole, letting it stay open for a substantial period of time, and now trying to close it, they're going to kick a major hornet's nest. As I said above, a lot of how this plays out depends on who wins the presidential election.
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Several elected officials have been calling for accountability beginning in the summer. Add in the EO banning more rule-making and refusal to submit to DOJ OIG inquiries, and you've got an agency thumbing it's nose at oversight. | |||
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