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https://www.statnews.com/2022/...te-of-cancer-deaths/ In gold-standard trial, colonoscopy fails to reduce rate of cancer deaths or decades, gastroenterologists put colonoscopies on a pedestal. If everyone would get the screening just once a decade, clinicians believed it could practically make colorectal cancer “extinct,” said Michael Bretthauer, a gastroenterologist and researcher in Norway. But new results from a clinical trial that he led throw confidence in colonoscopy’s dominance into doubt. The trial’s primary analysis found that colonoscopy only cut colon cancer risk by roughly a fifth, far below past estimates of the test’s efficacy, and didn’t provide any significant reduction in colon cancer mortality. Gastroenterologists, including Bretthauer, reacted to the trial’s results with a mixture of shock, disappointment, and even some mild disbelief. “This is a landmark study. It’s the first randomized trial showing outcomes of exposing people to colonoscopy screening versus no colonoscopy. And I think we were all expecting colonoscopy to do better,” said Samir Gupta, a gastroenterologist at the University of California, San Diego and the VA who didn’t work on the trial. And, he said, it raises an uncomfortable question for doctors. “Maybe colonoscopy isn’t as good as we always thought it is. He stressed that the study does not invalidate colonoscopies as a useful screening tool. Colonoscopies are still a good test, Gupta said, but it may be time to reevaluate their standing as the gold standard of colon cancer screens. “This study provides clear data,” he said, “that it’s not as simple as saying, ‘Colonoscopy is the most sensitive test, and therefore it is the best.’ It still prevented cancers.” Colonoscopies search for pre-cancerous polyps, known as adenomas, by inserting a camera up the rectum. If the endoscopist discovers a suspicious polyp, then it’s promptly removed, thus nipping the cancer before it spreads. Past research always showed that colonoscopy could put a huge dent, on the order of 70%, in the incidence and mortality from colon cancer. But none of those studies were large randomized trials, the ultimate experiment in clinical research. So Bretthauer, of the University of Oslo and Oslo University Hospital, and several colleagues started one a decade ago, recruiting more than 80,000 people aged 55 to 64 in Poland, Norway, and Sweden to test if colonoscopy was truly as good as they all believed. Roughly 28,000 of the participants were randomly selected to receive an invitation to get a colonoscopy, and the rest went about their usual care, which did not include regular colonoscopy screening. The researchers then kept track of colonoscopies, colon cancer diagnoses, colon cancer deaths, and deaths from any cause. After 10 years, the researchers found that the participants who were invited to colonoscopy had an 18% reduction in colon cancer risk but were no less likely to die from colon cancer than those who were never invited to screening. Of the participants who were invited to colonoscopy, only 42% actually did one. The team published their findings in the New England Journal of Medicine on Sunday. The results are incongruent with some past investigations in other colon cancer screens. “We know from other screening tests that we can reduce cancer mortality by more than this,” said Jason Dominitz, the executive director of the national gastroenterology and hepatology program at the VA who wrote an accompanying editorial in NEJM and didn’t work on the trial. Sigmoidoscopy, which only examines a smaller portion of the colon, has been shown to reduce colon cancer mortality in randomized studies, Dominitz pointed out. “Colonoscopy is sigmoidoscopy and more, so you’d think it can’t be less effective than sigmoidoscopy,” he said. But nuances abound in interpreting the data, Dominitz said. For one, a minority of participants who were invited to colonoscopy actually showed up for one. That may have diluted the observed benefits of colonoscopy in the study. Cancer treatment has also progressed over the last couple of decades, too, and the study only had 10 years of follow-up thus far, both of which would make it harder to see a mortality benefit from the screen. “They’re doing a 15-year follow, and I would expect to see a significant reduction in cancer mortality in the long term,” Dominitz said. “Time will tell.” Even if cancer therapy has progressed to the point where a 15-year follow-up fails to eke out a mortality reduction, UCSD’s Gupta pointed out that preventing cancer nonetheless can have a great benefit. The study still showed that colonoscopies reduced cancer incidence, which also means a reduction in surgeries, chemotherapies, immunotherapies, and other bad times. “The process of being treated is awful,” Gupta said. “If you ask patients if you’d rather be treated or prevented, a lot would say prevented.” A secondary analysis also offers another silver lining, Gupta said. When the investigators compared just the 42% of participants in the invited group who actually showed up for a colonoscopy to the control group, they saw about a 30% reduction in colon cancer risk and a 50% reduction in colon cancer death. “That adds to a bunch of observational study data that suggests exposing people to colonoscopy can reduce risk of developing and dying of colon cancer,” Gupta said. But the secondary analysis isn’t as robust as the primary or intention-to-treat analysis. “The intention-to-treat analysis is the premium methodology, the analysis you put all your trust in,” Oslo’s Bretthauer said. That’s led him to consider that he and everyone else in the colon cancer field may have been wrong about how useful colonoscopy truly is. “It’s not the magic bullet we thought it was,” he said. “I think we may have oversold colonoscopy. If you look at what the gastroenterology societies say, and I’m one myself so these are my people, we talked about 70, 80, or even 90% reduction in colon cancer if everyone went for colonoscopy. That’s not what these data show.” Rather, he said, colonoscopy screening’s true benefit may lie somewhere in between the primary and secondary analyses in his study. “You may reduce your risk of getting colorectal cancer by 20 to 30% if you get a colonoscopy,” Bretthauer said. That brings it more in line with the other main colorectal cancer tests, which analyze feces for signs of cancer, either abnormal DNA or blood, and can be taken at home. That raises an important point for policymakers, Bretthauer added. Colonoscopy is more expensive, more time-intensive, and more unpleasant in preparation for patients. Many European countries balked at putting public health dollars towards a large, expensive program, he said, when the fecal testing was cheaper, easier, and had greater uptake in certain studies. “Now, the European approach makes much more sense. It’s not only cheaper, but maybe equally effective,” Bretthauer said. | ||
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His Royal Hiney |
Other than the cleansing and the hassles associated with colonoscopy, the risk/benefit ratio of getting a colonoscopy is acceptable - as in, not too many people die from getting a colonoscopy. On the other hand, if researchers can make a case for dropping off a turd sample is equally effective, I suppose that's less hassle. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Optimistic Cynic |
I wonder how much colo-rectal surgeons favoring of colonoscopy over testing might be due to the fees they earn for the procedures? There is also the consideration that cancer is not the only disease that can be diagnosed in that area of the body. To evaluate the value of a colonoscopy one would have to take into account its relative usefulness in diagnosing these other conditions. | |||
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If you see me running try to keep up |
Anytime you go under you take a risk. A coworkers dad died during a colonoscopy from the anesthesia. This is important info to consider considering benefits way under what are given by doctors. I think doctors will be reluctant to admit this since practices are based on these procedures. | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ GI docs do the procedue not colo rectal surgeons. That is a pretty jaded view in my opinion, as the fees are not quite as lucrative as you might think. Ortopedic surgeons and plastic surgeons make much more with less contact with the fecal matter of others. | |||
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Internet Guru |
The sooner we move on from the colonoscopy, the better. I realize people have resigned themselves to their fate, but shoving a camera up your ass as a routine part of maintaining your health is rather primitive. Surely a less invasive procedure can be developed. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
I'm suspicious of this, there's an agenda behind this if you ask me. Follow the money and why suddenly this news and breast cancer screening age was revised up when it should have been revised way younger in reality. | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Could be. Sponsored by your friends at Cologuard. | |||
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Spread the Disease |
Can't an MRI see anything a camera can see? At least, anything significant enough to become a problem? ________________________________________ -- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. -- | |||
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thin skin can't win |
CT is what's actually used for virtual colonoscopy, better suited than MRI. Technology is improving but still lagging the buttcam apparently. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Member |
No. Cannot remove polyps either. Often cannot tell until the surgeon opens up the area. Endoscopy cuts down on exploratory surgery which was far more invasive. | |||
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Member |
That's the test group? Rather than only the 42% of that group who actually got a colonoscopy? Keeping that 58% of those invited, but who didn't participate, does dilute the results. The second way of analyzing the results is more useful (and shows colonoscopy to be more effective). I have to agree with "follow the money". | |||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
I read another article on this study and the headline wasn't an accurate reflection on what was in the study data. In any study, designing and interpreting the data isn't as clear as one might think. This was a large study but over half the people that were originally enrolled to participate ended up not getting the colonoscopy. That had a major effect on the data they were looking to collect and how the study was designed. The conclusion was that the ones that did get the colonoscopy seemed to have around a 66% fewer colon cancer deaths, but those people may have that better outcome in part because they pay more attention to their health and often have a more healthy lifestyle. The risk/reward ratio for the procedure was the original intent of this and due to the poor follow through by many participants it didn't give reliable data to make that determination. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
So...the data was massaged and played with to get the outcome they they desired according to their agenda. Sounds about right. | |||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
[/QUOTE] So...the data was massaged and played with to get the outcome they they desired according to their agenda. Sounds about right.[/QUOTE] A more accurate statement would be that the article, not the study itself was poorly stated. The study itself noted the flaws. The news articles spun that for their own agendas or just due to poor journalism, not a rare event today unfortunately. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I'm sure it will be trotted out by insurance companies that don't like paying for colonoscopies. s. _______________________________________________________________________ Don't Ask The Tyrants Why They Commit Tyranny, Ask The Slaves Why They Kneel | |||
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Ignored facts still exist |
Dunno, a good friend died of colon cancer about 6 years ago. Late 50's and never got a colonoscopy because he didn't like the thought of the procedure. We were told several times, "if only this had been caught earlier" . | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
I would be very leery of accepting or discounting a scientific study because of what it said about it in a newspaper length article. There may be valid reasons to think colonoscopy is not all we thought it was, but maybe there are problems with the study that is reported. Maybe there is an agenda - and on which side? Maybe there was a methodological flaw. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that I don't know enough about how to set up a study like this to evaluate these claims, one way or the other, and certainly based on the relatively small amount of information in this article. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Well, shit.... "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Crusty old curmudgeon |
The only thing I have to say regarding this subject is that a colonoscopy saved my life. No drama, no bullshit just a fact. They found a tumor near my rectum that was up against some lymph nodes that if it had gone on much longer would have become metastatic stage 4 rectal cancer instead of the stage 3 cancer that was treatable. 5 months of treatment and major surgery I'm now cancer free. Jim ________________________ "If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird | |||
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