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https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...unt-stands-democrats New York Judge Gregory Carro ruled that although Mangione's actions were ideologically motivated, New York law requires proof of intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population for terrorism charges, which prosecutors failed to present. Carro ruled that prosecutors presented "legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree." Mangione has pleaded not guilty to the rest of the charges. _________________________ | ||
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New York has turned their legal system into a reflection of their voters' values. Not even sure a New York jury will convict this assassin. | |||
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I don't care. I, frankly, think that tacking on these additional "motivators" is a bit silly. It is irrelevant to me why he did it...just that he did it, and is on camera doing it. The bigger question, is why is this kid still alive? It is absolutely clear that he committed this crime and there is no reasonable doubt what. so. ever. Again, why is he still alive? He should have been fertilizer under a farm up in Poughkeepsie months ago. ________________________________________________________ It is long past time for a Convention of States. The Founding Fathers gave us this tool to fix an out of control government and we need to use it. | |||
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The court reflecting the NYC culture seems right on. And look for NYC to get even worse when and if they elect Mandami. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Murder in the 2nd degree? Unless NY's laws are different, any murder involving pre-meditation is Murder in the 1st degree everywhere else. This case was clearly premeditated. Tony | |||
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When the NYS Court of Appeals (our highest court in the land) invalidated the death penalty, the way they did so basically also removed Murder 1st Degree completely from the books. Murder 2nd is basically what most people would think of as Murder 1st in most states, whereas Murder 1st in NY was what was often called Capital Murder elsewhere. To be clear, Mangione has been charged appropriately and right now, there really is no Murder 1 in NY. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Thanks for the clarification, because that also struck me as odd. Here (and everywhere else I'm aware of), Murder 2nd is reserved for murder that lacks premeditation. Just goes to show that every state's statutes are different, even if they share a common title. | |||
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As much as I disagree with NY on many things, I don't have a problem with this. I think Terrorism shouldn't be thrown around on things it's not, and this isn't it. Now, premeditated murder, all day. He planned this out. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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What is the chance this murderer will receive an insufficient sentence as a result of their lenient prosecutorial practices ? And specifically how light could it be ? How close could they come to letting him off easy so to speak, compared to more conservative legal jurisdictions? Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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He also has Federal charges in SDNY and state charges in Pennsylvania. | |||
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Agreed. It sounds like it doesn't meet the statute and the judge ruled correctly. Premeditated murder should be enough to get him the maximum sentence that NY is going to impose anyway (and yeah, calling that "Murder in the Second Degree" is freaking weird). ----------------------------------------------------------- Any comments made by this poster are my own and do not reflect the views or opinions of my employer. | |||
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I agree about dismissing the terrorism charge in this and other cases I’ve heard of. If someone is going to be charged with a crime, there should be probably cause to believe that his acts met the crime’s elements. Sometimes, though, it may not be all that clear and it’s usually better, especially in high profile cases, to charge too much than not enough. In the last major case I worked while in the Army I wasn’t sure about one possible offense the suspect might have committed, but I put it into the rights advisement anyway. That was the most serious offense he was convicted of at court martial. ► 6.0/94.0 “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz | |||
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I fear that you may be correct. Similar to what is happening in WDC where grand juries are "nullifying" indictments that federal prosecutor Pirro is bringing before grand juries. Does not bode well for legal system in cities dominated by the Democratic party. This seems to be increasingly slippery slope towards lawlessness. | |||
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