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You mean a country might actually do a 'straw' purchase and turn around and sell guns they purchased to another country? Surely we can't have that! My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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Pretty sure the guns in question were technically and legally American-made. Some German-sourced parts were involved but the bulk of the guns were 'Made in USA'. Merkel and her cronies just got into a lather because they were made by a German-owned subsidiary, therefore by relation making them 'German guns' regardless of their actual country of manufacture. Back 2013 or 2014, I'm sure Cohen was just GLAD that someone in the US Gov't came to SIG NH to buy some of their guns, even if it likely was the CIA and not the Pentagon that instigated the deal. So as an aside...if the Pentagon loads up a C-130 or two and ships pallets of M17s to Afghanistan (I'd say that place qualifies as a 'war zone') for deployment to US personnel, does that ALSO violate "German laws"? | |||
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Why did HK stop selling guns to Israel? Is this their policy, or is it German law they have to follow? If it's the law, I can kind of give them a pass. If it's their own policy, then it's beyond disturbing. | |||
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SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent |
Frankly, I wasn't even aware of that and had to look it up; I might have heard of it at the time, but right now found more English than German reports on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/gl...ons-heckler-and-koch As the article notes, HK have long been the target of activists, including crusading stakeholders of the company, and generally have a "merchants of death" reputation in parts of the German public. I believe this move was a reaction to the Mexican G36 affair that also put legal pressure on them; it goes well beyond restrictions of German law. I read it as concentrating on the safe business which makes them most of their money, the rest being cut as not worth the legal and PR hassle. Israel is a bit of collateral damage there, since I'm not aware of any HK guns in Israeli service other than small amounts of specialized items like the P11 underwater pistol. As noted, the country is technically not covered by the blanket waiver for Western allies in German export law, but defense co-operation has been very close ever since both sides re-established diplomatic relations in the 50s, for obvious historical reasons. They were somewhat clandestine for a long time due to political sensibilities on either end; for example, the Gal-class submarines of the 70s were essentially German Type 206s, but built in the UK. Today's Dolphins are openly built at HDW in Kiel, and a third of their cost is paid for by Germany, to regular outrage by German do-gooders who point out their possible role as nuclear weapons platforms. | |||
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Thank you for the detailed response. I truly appreciate it. HK would be the main company I used for handguns, but not selling to Israel is so immoral I can no longer do business with them. | |||
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I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not |
fuck you Germany!!! | |||
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