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Originally posted by PR64:

#2 Removable magazine

The removable magazine is only an issue if any of the other evil features are there. M1 Garand, Keltec SU-16 are not assault weapons.

If you don't want to register and you want to keep the rifle in CA, you can either get rid of the features (and then you can get rid of the bullet button and replace it with a normal mag release button) or you can replace the bullet button with a mag release that requires splitting the action.

Once registered as a RAW you can't sell it or transfer it in CA. You can't pass it down to your children if they live in the state. Also more draconian transport laws apply.

I have both a "Bullet Button Extended" rig and a Monsterman kydex wrap for the pistol grip.
I've been advised not to register it as an assault weapon but to keep it featureless.
Right now they're still in pieces in the safe.

I'm going featureless, I only own one AR. I, too, am looking at the Thordsen FRS-15. I am looking forward to having a normal mag release, and am fine without all the evil features as long as the FRS feels good.

Anyone actually use the FRS? How do you like it? I've watched reviews, but yet to handle one. Planning on getting to the LGS to see how it feels.

Hopefully one day I'll get out of Ca, but pretty well stuck for now.

Most of mine (including my MPX carbine) I have converted to featureless. One AR I made "fixed mag".
I also built one of my 80% lowers into a "straight pull" bolt action AR.

I am going three ways.

My MCX was purchased when California required registration rifles by make and model to owner when purchased. So it is already on paper and I will register it as AW. I am going to put the collapsible stock on it and get the two inch extended rods so when it is fully collapsed it will be over 30 inches from end of barrel to end of stock. Cannot include muzzle devise unless it is pinned and welded. So this will be the shortest rifle allowed in California.

My SIG516 is not currently registered as a rifle by Make and Model but I plan to register it as AW also.

My stripped lower is almost complete with the Thordsen Stock and Buffer Cover. It has a standard Mag release. It will stay that way. I plan to replace the flash hider with a muzzle brake on my SIG516 that way I can move the complete upper to the featureless lower and be able to take it anywhere I go.

Last but not least my finished 80 percent lower will find a new home somewhere.

That should take care of it.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What is this "featureless" you speak of??

Here are the three main examples of featureless.
Your nuzzle end devise cannot be a flash suppressor. Muzzle Brake OK.

The AR's I purchased prior to long gun registration will be featureless. In fact, my primary carbine has been featureless for years. It sports the very functional Thorsden stock. Like someone lsd mentioned, the big downside to the Thorsden is the difficulty reaching the safety.

The rifles I purchased after long gun registration took effect will registered.

I sold my Sub2000 a few weeks ago. It's intended purpose was a truck gun and I didn't see it filling that role adequately under new regulations.

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226:
I'm going featureless, I only own one AR. I, too, am looking at the Thordsen FRS-15. I am looking forward to having a normal mag release, and am fine without all the evil features as long as the FRS feels good.

Anyone actually use the FRS? How do you like it? I've watched reviews, but yet to handle one. Planning on getting to the LGS to see how it feels.

Hopefully one day I'll get out of Ca, but pretty well stuck for now.

Yes, I am using an FRS-15. It is fine with an ambi safety. I flip the safety off normally with my thumb, but can't reach far enough to put it back on so I use the trigger finger on the ambi safety to engage it. It seems a little heavy (not much, but heavier than the pistol grip and stock it replaced), but it is back at the shoulder so no biggy. I LOVE have a standard magazine release. I'm quite happy with it given my current location and CA's current laws.

As soon as CA's AWB is overturned (not holding my breath, but we can hope) or I escape this communist paradise the rifles will return to their original configuration (unless they get short barrels and/or cans ) and all these 10 round magazines will go in a box, but for the current situation I am happy with this solution.

I bought a Colt last year for the purpose of registering since it was registered when I DROS'd it. Other stuff bought before long guns were registered will be out of state at my Bro's place in free America. It's pretty damn sad that we're 5 months into the year and the state method of registering assault weapons still doesn't work. I do suspect that non compliance will be rampant.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
I bought a Colt last year for the purpose of registering since it was registered when I DROS'd it. Other stuff bought before long guns were registered will be out of state at my Bro's place in free America. It's pretty damn sad that we're 5 months into the year and the state method of registering assault weapons still doesn't work. I do suspect that non compliance will be rampant.

just like in 2000.

New York residents went through ( continue to go through) a similar dilemma.before I moved I went featureless, and it seems the only sensible way. The idea of retaining looks ( aka evil features) over performance (ability to reload from detachable magazines clear malfunctions service the rifle ) is ludicrous on the face of it.
A rifle you have to shoot ten break open single load ten rounds in a fixed mag close shoot and repeat just is not practical even on the range imo.

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Originally posted by ontmark
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What stock is that? I haven't seen that before, but I like it...classic rifle style, looks good. Do you like it better than the Thordsen?

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226:
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Yes, I am using an FRS-15. It is fine with an ambi safety. I flip the safety off normally with my thumb, but can't reach far enough to put it back on so I use the trigger finger on the ambi safety to engage it. It seems a little heavy (not much, but heavier than the pistol grip and stock it replaced), but it is back at the shoulder so no biggy. I LOVE have a standard magazine release. I'm quite happy with it given my current location and CA's current laws.

As soon as CA's AWB is overturned (not holding my breath, but we can hope) or I escape this communist paradise the rifles will return to their original configuration (unless they get short barrels and/or cans ) and all these 10 round magazines will go in a box, but for the current situation I am happy with this solution.

Sounds like the Thordsen should be pretty good, then, but guess I might need to add the ambi safety because I don't have one. I am definitely looking forward to the standard mag release myself. For me, that's the big plus of going featureless. I try to keep my stuff more on the simple side anyway, so I'll be content.

I hope one day you folks can live in America.

The madness just won't stop. Those requirements,just wow.

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Originally posted by Andyb:
I hope one day you folks can live in America.

Me too! It would be fantastic if CA would become part of America, but leaving CA to get to America seems a lot more likely.

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226:

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Originally posted by ontmark
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What stock is that? I haven't seen that before, but I like it...classic rifle style, looks good. Do you like it better than the Thordsen?

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226:
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Yes, I am using an FRS-15. It is fine with an ambi safety. I flip the safety off normally with my thumb, but can't reach far enough to put it back on so I use the trigger finger on the ambi safety to engage it. It seems a little heavy (not much, but heavier than the pistol grip and stock it replaced), but it is back at the shoulder so no biggy. I LOVE have a standard magazine release. I'm quite happy with it given my current location and CA's current laws.

As soon as CA's AWB is overturned (not holding my breath, but we can hope) or I escape this communist paradise the rifles will return to their original configuration (unless they get short barrels and/or cans ) and all these 10 round magazines will go in a box, but for the current situation I am happy with this solution.

Sounds like the Thordsen should be pretty good, then, but guess I might need to add the ambi safety because I don't have one. I am definitely looking forward to the standard mag release myself. For me, that's the big plus of going featureless. I try to keep my stuff more on the simple side anyway, so I'll be content.

Stock Shotgun Stock with an adapter to mount by exile machine.

http://www.exilemachine.net/sh...pter-blk-105600.html

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These are California legal with a detachable magazine.

Kind of like a SIG MCX upper with the recoil springs in the upper. I have not seen one in person yet but they do look nice.

https://fightlite.com/collections/scr-rifles

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Originally posted by ontmark:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What is this "featureless" you speak of??

Here are the three main examples of featureless.
Your nuzzle end devise cannot be a flash suppressor. Muzzle Brake OK.

Oh, the mutilation of such beautiful, elegant, iconic piece of engineering? Eugene Stoner must be rolling in his grave.

Definitely would not register. I'd leave my rifle featureless.