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Musk - a good marketeer and charlatan. Knows how to 'work the financial system', and may or may not end up in club fed. I think he is a blowhard. Tesla is a loss - sure interesting car, but the other automakers are about to eat his lunch. Audi ran E cars in LeMans with great success - so it's just a matter of time before the release their Tesla killer (minus US protection barriers; Free Trade? ha ha ha).


I posit that without Musk, the big auto makers would have had no incentive to build electric vehicles. They may ultimately make him a footnote of history, but I believe his was the spark that lit the fire.

Now, are electric vehicles the thing of the future? I'm not so sure. I still fail to see where the savings come in.


Well, the “environmental savings” come from switching to electricity. You see, electric cars don’t emit pollution and this allows their owners to feel superior, at least if they don’t consider the pollution created in the generation of the electricity, the mining of the materials to create the batteries, and the disposal of the batteries. But they are all “clean & green”. Yeah, I’m not buying it either.


35% of electricity is generated from burning coal...


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Well Exxon and Mobil, IE big oil, has con’d the government out of billions for decades. Far more money than a federal tax incentive on an Electric Vehicle.


That is some straight leftist wording there. I suppose you’re in the camp with AOC that believes Amazon was stealing $5 large from New York. See, paying a lower rate isn’t the same as a direct payment from the government. Wow, just wow.

Thug walks up to you on the street and takes your wallet. He removes $50, but leaves $50. From your point of view, the victim just stole $50 from the thug. That’s the way the left views taxes, and that’s what you are saying about the oil companies.


Yeah you got it. Yeah I’m on here and I’m a big fan of AOC. LMAO. You haven’t seen my posts in that bitches thread. She might as well be the anti-Christ to me. Lumping me in with her or the left because you don’t like how I say something?
What’s next some third grade insults?

Most energy is subsidized in the United States. Oil, gas, name it. It isn’t leftist, or right wing, or anything else. And I don’t need some Forbes link to tell me anything. It’s been going on for a long time. It isn’t new. But we live in a sound byte time and that’s what you grabbed a sound byte, then did an auto-lump. Way to use cognitive ability there.

What I do read all the time on here is bash bash bash on Tesla, Electric Vehicles, so much that it is laughable. Been going on for many years now. But the funny thing is that Ford axed a bunch of their cars so they can invest in electric vehicles. Every damn automobile manufacturer in existence is doing the same, including Ford, and GM. VW has already said 2026 will be their last gen of gas engines.
https://www.reuters.com/articl...n-2026-idUSKBN1O32O6
None of them would be doing this if it wasn’t for Musk and his Tesla company. I see those cars all the time here, I mean a lot of them, even seen a S and a 3 at the gun range, and I highly doubt the drivers are liberals here in Tejas. They are everywhere now. Last time I checked they were built in the United States. They weren’t built in Japan, Germany, or Mexico, but here in the US, providing jobs to Americans. An American company using American workers, who would’ve thunk it? And they use American power. 15-16% of our oil still comes from the Middle East, and I loathe that place. I want the USA to be energy independent and electric vehicles could help an awful lot towards making that happen. I don’t own a Tesla and won’t (cost too much for me and I don’t know if they will last when all the auto mfr’s pounce) but I do daily drive an electric vehicle and power it by panels on my roof that arc on this forum pointed me towards when he put in his solar array. There is a guy at work that DD’s a Prius with a bumper sticker on the back that reads “not a liberal”. I guess I need one too, and need to put it in my tag line. Or should I go buy a F150 tomorrow and a can of cope? What you drive does not dictate your politically. A vehicle is an inanimate object.

Ol’ Elon. Yeah his entire existence is just there to cheat us all. Holler at me when you find the threads about Ford and GM and people going ballistic on them for their EV’s getting federal tax incentives.


Go ahead, quote where I’ve said anything about Elon Musk or Tesla, with the exception of electric heavy trucks. You won’t find it anywhere.

It’s quite sophomoric to justify an action because “everybody else does it.” That’s leftist, regardless of how you’ve behaved in other threads. Taking advantage of a lower tax rate IS NOT A SUBSIDY. The government writing a $7,000 check for every car you sell is.

I know you don’t need a Forbes link. Your mind is made up, truth be damned.



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