Dershowitz Says New York Prosecutors Are Violating Voters’ Rights With Trump Trial The law is being ‘abused for partisan political purposes and to constitute election interference,’ Mr. Dershowitz alleged.
The former Harvard law professor then criticized the Manhattan DA for elevating the charges against President Trump from misdemeanors to felonies on what he argued was an invalid legal premise because Mr. Bragg invoked federal statutes over which New York has no jurisdiction.
In the recent PA primary that happened last Tuesday, Nicky Haley got over 155,000 votes which was 16.5% of the total. This was a Republican only primary. The voters had to be registered Republicans. While it's easy to say that most of these may have been Dems who changed registration, even if you discount those, that's still a significant number. I wonder how many of these protest voters will stay home or vote for Biden. I don't know. Just wondering. This could affect the election results.
April 24, 2024, 09:12 AM
a1abdj
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In the recent PA primary that happened last Tuesday, Nicky Haley got over 155,000 votes which was 16.5% of the total.
In 2016 John Kasich got over 300,000 votes which was 19% of the total.
You had 950,000 voters participate in 2024. Almost 1.6 million in 2016. I suspect that's because most voters know that Trump is the guy and simply chose not to participate in the primary.
I suspect the same concept is true on the Democrat side as well. They had 998,000 primary voters participate this year, and over 1.6 million in 2016.
To Haley's credit, she did get 17 times more votes that Jeb Bush.
Romney and the Wrong Question: The Senator’s Statement on Trump’s Guilt Captures the Problem with the Manhattan Trial
Yesterday, Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) had a much covered interaction with CNN’s Manu Raju who asked him about Trump’s criminal trial and whether he was guilty of the underlying criminal conduct. Romney responded “I think everybody has made their own assessment of President Trump’s character, and so far as I know you don’t pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you.” I have previously defended Romney in his votes on impeachment despite our disagreement on the constitutional standard. I also understand that he was making a more general comment on character.
However, his response is precisely what Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is seeking from the jury: a verdict on Trump as a person rather than the underlying criminal allegations.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
Democratic governors are vetoing election integrity legislation passed by Republican-led state legislatures, despite allegations, investigations, and convictions of election fraud occurring across the U.S. Those convictions require proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the crime, in fact, occurred.
Over the last few months, Democratic governors in Arizona, North Carolina, and Wisconsin have vetoed legislation that Republican-led state legislatures passed to help secure elections, arguing that their concerns are unfounded or their solutions unnecessary. However, there has been recent election fraud investigations and convictions in those states that led to the passing of the legislation.
Earlier this month, Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs (D) vetoed bills that would respectively, prohibit people convicted of ballot abuse from holding elected office and prevent county recorders from sending voter registration cards to most residents who have out-of-state mailing addresses.
"I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023
April 25, 2024, 01:58 PM
BigSwede
Funny, I say the same thing all the time
April 25, 2024, 03:43 PM
GT-40DOC
I do so hope that the Supreme Court information about Trump is correct. It would relieve a lot of burden off of his shoulders.
April 25, 2024, 05:38 PM
bald1
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Originally posted by BigSwede: Funny, I say the same thing all the time
And I mutter it not only about the demonrats but RINOs like Mittens as well.
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April 25, 2024, 05:49 PM
nhtagmember
Everyone had better hope that immunity is upheld because if it isn’t I can see the Kenyan and his proxy being prosecuted for a lot greater crimes.
April 25, 2024, 05:54 PM
Jimineer
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Originally posted by BigSwede: Funny, I say the same thing all the time
I ran an errand the other day, less than a mile away, and noticed four cars with FJB bumper stickers. Loved seeing them.
I do mutter it to myself all the time myself.
April 25, 2024, 06:35 PM
Bytes
A question for the Forum legal beagles: When justices in a Supreme Court case grill one side vs the other is that an indicator of the ruling? I'm asking because I'm listening to the Trump Immunity case audio and Michael Dreeben (Justice Dept counsel) is really getting grilled by all justices.
YouTube audio on Viva Frei (Trump supporter but very little commentary):
April 25, 2024, 07:07 PM
Flashlightboy
Dreeben is saying that judges and prosecutors take an oath to uphold the law and wouldn't misuse it against a president. Dreeben wants the court to allow discretion with prosecutors to determine whether a president has immunity, depending on the crime, but as another justice said, charging him with a crime means he can be prosecuted as a sitting or former president which justifies proceeding against him.
The government view suggests that unless a president is given a special exemption under the constitution, he's open to criminal charges with prosecutorial discretion. Grand juries indict all the time and that would open the floodgates to charging all presidents.
I think even that the Wise Latina sees the government's position as ripe for abuse.
April 26, 2024, 07:11 AM
Black92LX
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Originally posted by Twist18: Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but I’m wondering about the charges in Georgia. Shouldn’t the state be bringing the charges, and not a local DA? The crimes he’s charged with, from my understanding, are state election crimes.
District Attorneys are the Representatives of the state. The state is bringing the charges. Also most state elections are run at the County level by the rules dictated by the state.
In Georgia, the district attorney (D.A.) serves as the chief prosecuting officer. Along with a team of assistant district attorneys, the D.A. files criminal cases in state court on behalf of the government. As the prosecuting officer who represents the state, they address criminal activity and ensure public safety. Here's what you should know about the district attorney's role in Georgia:
Scope and jurisdiction: Georgia is divided into 50 judicial circuits, and each circuit has its own district attorney. The circuits span from one to eight counties. Election and role: Every district attorney is an elected official. Their primary duties include representing the state during the trial and appellate process for felony cases in the Superior Court, as well as juvenile delinquency cases. In counties where there's a solicitor general, the solicitor general handles misdemeanors.
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April 26, 2024, 08:07 AM
pbslinger
Seldom in history has there ever been a bigger elephant in the room than the question of succeeding administrations weaponizing courts against a predecessor.
April 26, 2024, 11:20 AM
nhtagmember
if they set the standard of eliminating immunity, then its weapons free on all past presidents - they realize that, don't they?
are they really that stupid....
oops, my bad
April 26, 2024, 05:00 PM
Bytes
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Originally posted by nhtagmember: if they set the standard of eliminating immunity, then its weapons free on all past presidents - they realize that, don't they?
After listening to the oral arguments I have the feeling that the court will come down on Trumps side. I think three justices brought up your exact same point and never really did get a good answer from DOJs Michael Dreeben. He seemed ill prepared for this case.