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The Trump Presidency : Year IV
December 27, 2020, 09:24 PM
skyline009The Trump Presidency : Year IV
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
The only good news as far as I'm concerned is if they shit canned the whole damn thing. Maybe then do a clean bill that actually gives relief to those who need it and deserve it.
WTF is all I can say so disappointed sigh.
December 27, 2020, 10:18 PM
HuskySigI hope I’m wrong, but this seems like surrender to me.
December 27, 2020, 10:41 PM
AckksIt is disappointing, but they would have passed one even worse under Biden with control of all the branches.
December 27, 2020, 10:43 PM
tigereye313 https://www.gao.gov/mobile/products/gao-10-320t quote:
The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA) was enacted to tighten congressional control over presidential impoundments and establish a procedure under which Congress could consider the merits of rescissions proposed by the President. Under the ICA the President may propose a rescission when he wishes to withhold funds from obligation permanently or submit a deferral when the withholding of funds is temporary. Funds proposed for rescission may be withheld from obligation for 45 days of continuous congressional session. If Congress does not approve the rescission during this period, the President must release the funds on the 46th day. The ICA also provides a special discharge procedure permitting 20 percent of the members of either house to force a floor vote on any presidential rescission proposal.
cont...
Could be he is using this as pressure to pass the proposed bill with bigger relief payments to Americans and to rescind Section 230?
December 27, 2020, 11:09 PM
m58 https://www.ar15.com/media/med...rome_jpg-1751506.JPGPresident Trump is requesting that we rally for him on Jan. 6th 2021. My hotel is already booked and I am just waiting till it's time to do the drive. My brother and his wife are going with me as well. Looking forward to being part of an historical event as this is the day that VP Pence and Congress decides to either accept or reject the Elector Vote .
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December 27, 2020, 11:14 PM
PalAs much as I would like the video with Bill Still on the last page to be true, It is my understanding that if no one gets to 270 there are other things that take place. It is not the person with the most electoral votes.
Jim
December 27, 2020, 11:37 PM
DoubleAdobequote:
Originally posted by Ackks:
Rudy has been doing something. They have been showing huge things that should have changed the outcome. Even video of them pulling out suitcases of ballots didn't matter.
The problem is all the doors are locked and RINOs are holding the keys. There isn't much else they can do at this point other than keep trying. It probably won't matter, but don't let the media gaslight you into thinking they haven't been showing irrefutable evidence of fraud.
Belatedly,this.
December 27, 2020, 11:41 PM
DoubleAdobequote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
Well, I'm one of the fortunate ones who doesn't need the money. I am, however, vigorously against the unrelated pork that was put into the bill.
flashguy
Yea,verily.I will be alright without the gimme,but let that pork disappear. Not right at all.
December 28, 2020, 01:58 AM
Dakorquote:
Originally posted by HuskySig:
I hope I’m wrong, but this seems like surrender to me.
To me as well. I’m shocked he signed the bill and combined with the recent pardons, it seems like our President is throwing in the towel. I sincerely hope I’m wrong but perhaps the man has had enough of the backstabbers that make up the very deep swamp.
December 28, 2020, 05:15 AM
BassamaticBeyond belief.
.....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. December 28, 2020, 07:52 AM
Deqlynquote:
Originally posted by Dakor:
quote:
Originally posted by HuskySig:
I hope I’m wrong, but this seems like surrender to me.
To me as well. I’m shocked he signed the bill and combined with the recent pardons, it seems like our President is throwing in the towel. I sincerely hope I’m wrong but perhaps the man has had enough of the backstabbers that make up the very deep swamp.
As I am understanding it the signing requires line by line for congress to go thru it. The bill was Veto proof by the super majority they had so this was the only way to either stall or stop it. So you can either have a ceremonial veto that does nothing due tonthe super majority or this. Which would you like?
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Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke December 28, 2020, 08:12 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by Deqlyn:
As I am understanding it the signing requires line by line for congress to go thru it.
How does that work? The bill is already signed. Why would Congress bother doing that now?
quote:
Which would you like?
I wanted him to veto the fucking thing, that's what I would've liked.
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December 28, 2020, 08:30 AM
12131quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I wanted him to veto the fucking thing, that's what I would've liked.
Yeah, veto proof or not, you should be able to claim credit for standing up against inexcusable wasteful spending and not rubber stamping it.
Q
December 28, 2020, 08:33 AM
roberthShould have vetoed the bloody thing.
December 28, 2020, 08:51 AM
Dakorquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by Deqlyn:
As I am understanding it the signing requires line by line for congress to go thru it.
How does that work? The bill is already signed. Why would Congress bother doing that now?
quote:
Which would you like?
I wanted him to veto the fucking thing, that's what I would've liked.
Exactly; there’s no mechanism like the one Deqlyn describes besides Congress being incentivized to act independently to approve changes. There’s zero incentives to do so and they hate our President.
December 28, 2020, 09:17 AM
Deqlyn@Balze/Q/Dakor. Sorry i took the quotes as it was muddying up things.
Here is from the impoundment act I will link below.
quote:
Rescissions
Put simply, if the President wants to spend less money than Congress provided for a particular purpose, he or she must first secure a law providing Congressional approval to rescind the funding in question. The ICA requires that the President send a special message to Congress identifying the amount of the proposed rescission; the reasons for it; and the budgetary, economic, and programmatic effects of the rescission. Upon transmission of such special message, the President may withhold certain funding in the affected accounts for up to 45 legislative session days. If a law approving the rescission is not enacted within the 45 days, any withheld funds must be made available for obligation.
A 2018 Government Accountability Office legal opinion holds that if the President proposes a rescission, he or she must make the affected funds available to be prudently obligated before the funds expire, even if the 45-day clock is still running. This means, for example, that the President cannot strategically time a rescission request for late in the fiscal year and withhold the funding until it expires, thus achieving a rescission without Congressional approval.
https://budget.house.gov/publi...t-why-does-it-matterTo me it reads the funds are held for no more than 45 days. Trump knows his options and he wants to win. A ceremonial veto is not a win for the people. More money, section 230 gutted, and election fraud looked into is.
Perhaps instead of pointing fingers at Trump we should all be contacting our cowardice reps and senators as dakor points out who the majority of republicans voted for. You can see how they voted below.
The problem is not trump. I am really starting to believe that voting for republicans is not the answer any longer. Weve gotten NOTHING from them. #notroll. Look througg past threads and show me the excitement about what the GOP is accomplishing. Compare that to what Dems do. Would you say we are winning without Trump?
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/h251
What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin
Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke December 28, 2020, 09:35 AM
kimber1911It’s after Christmas, time to fix this Rudy.
Nobody with a working brain cell believes it was a free and fair election.
“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
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“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 December 28, 2020, 09:48 AM
DakorDeqlyn,
If the funds were approved under this year’s fiscal budget, the President has only 3 days left for an effective rescission based on the second paragraph you posted (the GAO legal opinion), which means nothing because Congress isn’t in session. My earlier comment still holds - Congress needs to act independently to make changes and they won’t.
Who said we are pointing fingers at Trump, like he’s the problem? Please identify a single post of mine anywhere on SF that states such.
December 28, 2020, 10:09 AM
DeqlynPerhaps I took liberties with "him throwing in the towell", I apologize for that. I have always been a big proponent of working together here and it was not my intention to get us fired up at each other.
Many of us are frustrated in the way things are unfolding, there is no more important time now to mobilize efforts together.
In regards to the bill, you are correct. Trump said news is coming today on the covid bill, so we will wait and see if we are funding pakistani gender studies.
What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin
Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke December 28, 2020, 10:17 AM
az4783054Extortion by the democrats. Had the President vetoed the entire pork bill, Americans lose out on getting anything and the democrats will use that against his Presidency.
pelosi is getting what she's wanted all along, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
"We wanted to give Americans more, but the President refused." (Ignore the fact that foreign countries and stupid special interests would get the larger dole).