Frank Luntz declared that “the polling profession is done” after this year's presidential election, in which a number of polls appeared to show a much brighter picture in various states for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
“The political polling profession is done,” Luntz told Axios early Wednesday morning. “It is devastating for my industry.”
Great news.
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November 04, 2020, 12:01 PM
Ackks
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Originally posted by spunk639: We all need to take a deep breath.
Do you honestly believe President Trump didn't see this coming?
Do you really think his legal team didn't prepare for this scenario?
Do you think a President who hasn't let us down or did what he said he would do will just take this?
Have we become such naysayers that we're going to sulk and not fight?
Donald Trump doesn't get into things to lose.
The fight has just begun.
Arizona gives him that chance for sure. If that many votes are out there then the game is still on and we will win this after PA. I'm really hopeful.
How can his legal team fight ballots that have already been counted though? That's my biggest concern. It's like the first episode of Suits where the LSAT proctor knows Mike is cheating for someone, but he mixes the test into the pile.
November 04, 2020, 12:04 PM
sjtill
I can't stand even going to the Fox News website now, much less turn to them on TV. Between Chris Wallace, Donna Brazile (how in hell did Fox ever hire her??) and the smug arrogance of Dem supporter Arnon Mishkin, head of their "Decision Desk", Fox has lost me. Thank goodness they did have Katie Pavlich on complaining about the Arizona call.
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November 04, 2020, 12:07 PM
chellim1
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BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote. Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000. Total number of votes cast: 3,239,920. This is direct evidence of fraud.
Total number of registered voters is 3,684,726 as of Nov 1.... or about 88% turnout. That's plausible.
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November 04, 2020, 12:09 PM
ClivefromtheMed
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Originally posted by spunk639: We all need to take a deep breath.
Do you honestly believe President Trump didn't see this coming?
Do you really think his legal team didn't prepare for this scenario?
A damn good fighting attitude sir! Do you think a President who hasn't let us down or did what he said he would do will just take this?
Have we become such naysayers that we're going to sulk and not fight?
Donald Trump doesn't get into things to lose.
The fight has just begun.
A damn fine fighting attitude sir!
Runnin' and gunnin' (slowly..)
November 04, 2020, 12:09 PM
kx90
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Originally posted by triggertreat:
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Originally posted by kx90:
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Originally posted by benny6: I'm hearing that Wisconsin had 100,000 more counted votes that there were registered voters. Anyone else hear this?
BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote. Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000. Total number of votes cast: 3,239,920. This is direct evidence of fraud.
What happens in a case like this where there is direct evidence?
On that note, do we have a total nationwide yet? How many more millions of votes were cast this time vs 2016? Something like 30 million more seems unbelievable to me.
That’s another thing that doesn’t make sense to me. According to the vote totals for popular vote right now it is around 136M people right now. For 2016 the total vote was around 138M.
How is this even possible? They were reporting the other day that total early voting was just under 100M people. So we only had around 35-40M people head to the polls yesterday?
Shit just isn’t adding up.
November 04, 2020, 12:20 PM
chellim1
^^^ I never counted on Wisconsin. Trump now needs Arizona and Pennsylvania!
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
November 04, 2020, 12:21 PM
Balzé Halzé
Some are calling Arizona for Trump now. Data Orbital for one I believe.
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Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
November 04, 2020, 12:25 PM
Georgeair
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Frank Luntz says the polling industry is done, kaput.
Data Orbital @Data_Orbital This breakdown is inline with what we are estimating and why we believe @realDonaldTrump will carry AZ. These ballots are heavily Republican and will break in his favor. We estimate about 500k outstanding ballots. #Election2020 #ElectionTwitter #AZ
November 04, 2020, 12:26 PM
trapper189
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Originally posted by SIG228: Thanks. Still not buying a 94% voter turnout rate.
89%, but still a good point. Previous record was 73% or so. They are saying 91.5% of the 1.9 million absentee ballots were turned in. Wisconsin counts early voting as absentee.
***EDIT*** Probably because it allows election day registration, Wisconsin uses eligible voters in the denominator and not registered voters when calculating turnout. Calculated this way, turnout was about 71%***This message has been edited. Last edited by: trapper189,
November 04, 2020, 12:28 PM
johnw91498
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé: Some are calling Arizona for Trump now. Data Orbital for one I believe.
I thought AZ turned?
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November 04, 2020, 12:28 PM
911Boss
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Originally posted by Largefarva:
That’s another thing that doesn’t make sense to me. According to the vote totals for popular vote right now it is around 136M people right now. For 2016 the total vote was around 138M.
How is this even possible? They were reporting the other day that total early voting was just under 100M people. So we only had around 35-40M people head to the polls yesterday?
Shit just isn’t adding up.
2016 was just shy of 129 million, current count for 2020 as of a little while ago was 137.5 million with several states still counting
What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
November 04, 2020, 12:28 PM
Georgeair
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Trump now needs Arizona
So by my math he needs 59% of the remaining votes to swing his way there. Tough, but not impossible. (working off current Fox map)
You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02
November 04, 2020, 12:29 PM
Balzé Halzé
Biden is still claiming Arizona and have in fact claimed victory, yet not a single "fact check" from Twitter. Trump asks "what's going on here" in regards to Wisconsin and is immediately censored.
~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
November 04, 2020, 12:30 PM
Hildur
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé: Some are calling Arizona for Trump now. Data Orbital for one I believe.
Two articles talking about how some polling stations were handing out Sharpies and the ink bleeding through required that those ballots be pulled and counted separately and the other is about how 86% of AZ votes have been counted, not 95%+.
Who knows what to believe at this point. This whole election has been handled poorly.
"we've gotta roll with the punches, learn to play all of our hunches Making the best of what ever comes our way Forget that blind ambition and learn to trust your intuition Plowing straight ahead come what may And theres a cowboy in the jungle" Jimmy Buffet
November 04, 2020, 12:34 PM
12131
Folks in MI are seriously fucked up.
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November 04, 2020, 12:34 PM
Ripley
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Originally posted by newmexican: Sorry to expose you to the horrors of a different opinion than yours.
We find no value in opinions, we're trying to find the facts.
