biden is looking for something...anything...to make his legacy. Reminds me to much of obama. No substance, just talk. Neither practice the adage of 'actions speak louder than words' which our President has down to a science.
September 30, 2020, 12:28 PM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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Originally posted by Fenris: It would have been better if Trump..
That's what I'm hearing/seeing this morning. But context is everything...
The entire problem with the question is that Wallace asked Trump, as if there is a special need for him to answer, and not Biden, who is the one that has made vulgar, demeaning racist comments for decades. It's about like asking Trump to promise the country he isn't an alcoholic. It was insulting, baseless and beneath contempt.
Why not just ask them both to denounce racism at the same time, if it is going to be brought up at all?
The second problem is that Wallace used this vulgar premise to try to get the President to denounce The Proud Boys as if they are a white supremacist group. This is, of course, an absolutely idiotic assertion.
I am surprised the President didn't say "What the hell is wrong with you, Chris?" I would have been tempted to say it in his shoes.
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September 30, 2020, 12:46 PM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by sig sailor: Mike Wallace was a well respected member of the media. I couldn't always agree with him (mostly not), but I had respect for him. Poor Mike must be spinning in his grave. Sad Chris, really sad! Rod
Well, he managed to accomplish one thing, last night, with me: I now no longer have any interest whatsoever in acquiring a streaming subscription to Fox "News".
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September 30, 2020, 01:04 PM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by ensigmatic: Well, he managed to accomplish one thing, last night, with me: I now no longer have any interest whatsoever in acquiring a streaming subscription to Fox "News".
You might try Fox Nation online. I haven't subscribed yet, but from what I have seen, it seems to be closer to the original Fox News.
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September 30, 2020, 01:07 PM
YooperSigs
I watched most of it: Trump was Trump. Biden was Biden and apparently electronically enhanced. Or supported. And Wallace? As expected, Anti-Trump.
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September 30, 2020, 01:18 PM
mbinky
I can't find the video on youtube or anywhere but watch J. Hogan Gidley talk about Biden's racism on CNN. I love how he keeps talking and refuses to let the CCN hack shut him down.
Originally posted by ensigmatic: Well, he managed to accomplish one thing, last night, with me: I now no longer have any interest whatsoever in acquiring a streaming subscription to Fox "News".
You might try Fox Nation online. I haven't subscribed yet, but from what I have seen, it seems to be closer to the original Fox News.
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Ditch Fox News or don't even bother getting them. It's only a matter of time before Tucker and Laura are forced out as well for not toeing the new FNC line.
Get signed up with Newsmax TV and OAN, trust me you will be far better informed and happier.
September 30, 2020, 01:32 PM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by PASig:
Ditch Fox News or don't even bother getting them. It's only a matter of time ...
Has Hannity been forced out already?
Either way, you probably have a good point, but the FoxNation.com line up is very different, at least right now.
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September 30, 2020, 01:36 PM
P220 Smudge
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Originally posted by parabellum:
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Originally posted by Fenris: It would have been better if Trump had more forcefully condemned White Supremacy.
That's the verbal equivalent of diners seated at a restaurant being forced by a mob to raise their fists for BLM.
I agree. I caught the end of B. Tatum's live stream after the debate and someone in the chat commented something along the lines of Fenris' comment. Tatum immediately shot it down, basically saying what you said. He refused to play their game is all. 'It's like if you told me I had to denounce pedophiles, and if I don't, then I support them. Bruh...' (accompanied with bug eyes). It's the same thing with Jordan B. Peterson not wanting to be compelled to call someone who was born a man a woman because that's what he chooses to "identify" as.
This is that virtue signaling shit. They trying to force him to play the game by their rules, and the second he agrees to do so, he loses the game. Let's not play their game. Trump isn't, and it's worked just fine for him so far. He could strongly denounce white supremacists and they would say that it's meaningless because he didn't do it sooner, or he only said it because he was pressured to do so, or whatever the fuck. Those magical moving goalposts.
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September 30, 2020, 01:42 PM
mod29
I’ll watch every debate Trump is in. Every fucking one of them.
The communist left in this country is trying to overthrow everything we hold dear, by any means necessary. Lie, cheat, steal or by force. There are no rules as far as they’re concerned.
Trump needs our support. This is a fight we must win.
Remember Mitt the Pussy debating Obama? Obama’s jugular was exposed and instead of tearing his throat out, Mitt the Pussy tried the gentleman’s approach. And lost the election. Fuck that.
September 30, 2020, 01:53 PM
ZSMICHAEL
During the debate Biden proposed sending a psychologist or psychiatrist along with the police to deescalate violent situations. REALLY?
September 30, 2020, 01:55 PM
mbinky
The ratings were way down from the first 2016 debate.
2016 - 84 million 2020 - 27 million
Easy to figure out why. There are NO undecided voters. NONE. There are people who won't admit who they are voting for to their friends, to their family, and even to themselves. But they know, they know who they will pull the lever for when the time comes.
A hair over 30 days out EVERYONE knows who they will be voting for.
Originally posted by Fenris: It will be interesting to see how markets respond tomorrow.
As I type this at 2:52pm on Wednesday, 30 Sept: DOW Industrial +340 NASDAQ. +135 S&P 500. +35
Looks like “Mr Market” knows who won the “debate” and has voted accordingly. Wall Street usually looks beyond 6+ weeks to determine what’s going to happen, and it’s a “Trump WIN”.
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September 30, 2020, 01:59 PM
Skins2881
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge: .... I agree. I caught the end of B. Tatum's live stream after the debate and someone in the chat commented something along the lines of Fenris' comment. Tatum immediately shot it down, basically saying what you said. He refused to play their game is all. 'It's like if you told me I had to denounce pedophiles, and if I don't, then I support them. Bruh...' (accompanied with bug eyes). It's the same thing with Jordan B. Peterson not wanting to be compelled to call someone who was born a man a woman because that's what he chooses to "identify" as.
This is that virtue signaling shit. They trying to force him to play the game by their rules, and the second he agrees to do so, he loses the game. Let's not play their game. Trump isn't, and it's worked just fine for him so far. He could strongly denounce white supremacists and they would say that it's meaningless because he didn't do it sooner, or he only said it because he was pressured to do so, or whatever the fuck. Those magical moving goalposts.
It's similar to this story. No, I'm not going to bend the knee to you.
Name one law enforcement group that supports you? Ha, great question that everyone heard.
Biden came stuttering out of the gate and I thought he was done early but he recovered enough to survive the debate. I thought he might unravel, he came close, when Trump brought up his son's drug use. I think the plan was to push him hard and show his lack of composure or ability to take a hit and keep moving forward. Chris Wallace kept giving him the standing 8 count.
The communist left in this country is trying to overthrow everything we hold dear, by any means necessary. Lie, cheat, steal or by force. There are no rules as far as they’re concerned.
Trump needs our support. This is a fight we must win.
Remember Mitt the Pussy debating Obama? Obama’s jugular was exposed and instead of tearing his throat out, Mitt the Pussy tried the gentleman’s approach. And lost the election. Fuck that.
agree with this 100%
DJT gave us 100% of what we want from him.
He fought and blasted. Of course we can go back and say 'he shoulda said this...' or 'he shoulda said that...' His style ain't pretty but it's necessary.
The MSM is used to 'nice' conservatives who don't care about winning.
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September 30, 2020, 02:08 PM
bigdeal
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Originally posted by mbinky: I can't find the video on youtube or anywhere but watch J. Hogan Gidley talk about Biden's racism on CNN. I love how he keeps talking and refuses to let the CCN hack shut him down.
Again, if I were president for a day, I would freeze CNN completely out. No press credentials for the White House briefings or other events, and zero interviews with administration staff. Give them nothing because they are worthy of nothing.
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September 30, 2020, 02:14 PM
PASig
Now the Commission on Presidential Debates is talking about "tweaking" debate standards and formats to ensure more "orderly discussion"
GTFOH, you know what they are going to do, right?
Cut Trump's mike off each time he tries to respond to moderator and Biden BULLSHIT
But of course they'll never ever cut Biden's off, no sir.
September 30, 2020, 02:18 PM
oddball
A video on why last night hurt Biden, and did nothing to Trump.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
September 30, 2020, 02:22 PM
P220 Smudge
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Originally posted by PASig: Now the Commission on Presidential Debates is talking about "tweaking" debate standards and formats to ensure more "orderly discussion"
Yeah, I saw that. They're considering giving the moderator the ability to mute microphones. We all know how that's going to go. Unbelievable.
This business of "we don't like what you have to say, so we're going to silence you" has gone too far already, and they just keep pushing it.
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