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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.


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Anyone who judges him doesn't understand what he faces on a daily basis. They also don't understand that we are in the middle of a war for the survival of this country against pure evil. Nobody understands that more that the President and he has to feel that weight. That guy went into a rigged debate and took them both on and dominated. I'm proud of him.
 
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I feel like it's worth pointing out that at least several times each, Wallace and Biden looked to be rattled to the point where they were trying to keep a lid on their tempers, and this was never the case with Trump. He was aggressive, but he was in control, calm, and collected. I could see the rising anger on their faces, and hear it in their voices. Not so with our President.

Noteworthy at the very least.

I knew going into this debate that his likely strategy was to bull over Biden and rattle his cage, but I didn't expect Wallace to feel like he was getting splashed with it, too. Maybe I should have.


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Yeah, that M14 video guy...
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Let's not forget Biden in 2012. Interrupting and mocking were the norm...


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From a James Woods tweet. LMAO
https://twitter.com/RealJamesW.../1311180167637659648




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I feel like it's worth pointing out that at least several times each, Wallace and Biden looked to be rattled to the point where they were trying to keep a lid on their tempers, and this was never the case with Trump. He was aggressive, but he was in control, calm, and collected. I could see the rising anger on their faces, and hear it in their voices. Not so with our President.

Noteworthy at the very least.

I knew going into this debate that his likely strategy was to bull over Biden and rattle his cage, but I didn't expect Wallace to feel like he was getting splashed with it, too. Maybe I should have.


Composure under fire only really gets learned by being under fire. Biden and Wallace haven't felt a tenth the heat that Trump has.




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Well after catching up on this thread and perusing the web this morning it seems like going to bed and getting a good night's sleep last night was the correct decision. I do not watch debates just like I do not watch congressional hearings no matter what side is chairing it. They are all a waste of time. Pure political theater. Designed to appeal to each other's base in the DC bubble, nothing more. Neither the debates nor the hearings are designed to inform the American public about anything. They are both just screen time for the professional permanent political class, be they pundit or elected official.

I will leave with this tweet from the press secretary:

 
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And it appears old Joe was wired, after all.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1311179736253562881


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It would have been better if Trump had more forcefully condemned White Supremacy. Not doing so was a self inflicted injury.

The President asked Wallace to name the group. Wallace responded with "The Proud Boys". Not only are they not a white supremacist group, their chairman is Enrique Tarrio:

 
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I like to have CNBC playing in the background - if only to hear Joe K b@tchslap Andrew occasionally.

Well now Shepard Smith had to come on and plug his new show - using his overly dramatic voice to discuss the debate and how he'll address that on his new show...

Joe K must feel awfully lonely surrounded by the Never Trumpers on that channel.
 
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I'm probably mostly in agreement with mbinky that the debates are theater. If the participants see otherwise then I would look at them as a political ad and as such you should define your target audience (the undecided) and say the things that would win them over. It IS theater if you just play to your audience. We are going to vote for Trump regardless of what he says in a debate.


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And it appears old Joe was wired, after all.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1311179736253562881


It appears to slide out, then vanishes. How is that?




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Well after catching up on this thread and perusing the web this morning... [snip]
Pure political theater. Designed to appeal to each other's base in the DC bubble, nothing more. Neither the debates nor the hearings are designed to inform the American public about anything. They are both just screen time for the professional permanent political class, be they pundit or elected official.
Well said. Nothing new was presented, just repeating old stuff we've already heard many times before. The "debate" had no value and served no purpose other than what you said. Maybe if they added a laugh track, at least it might be entertaining.
 
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It appears to slide out, then vanishes. How is that?

It begins to straighten out before it goes back under his coat. We can't see his hands, but I am guessing that he tugs it from below.
 
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First thoughts after a restless night. Yeah, Wallace was biased, jumped in to deflect from Biden. More importantly, the topics were pretty much a greatest bombshell hits from Trump's time in office, necessarily provocative.

The media can't glorify Biden's performance so they are attacking Trump. SOS.

Biden got very defensive about Hunter, said he was proud of him. One question then, why isn't Hunter out on the campaign trail, stumping for you, Joe?

Trump obviously has a very quick mind, he was over a half step ahead of Biden and Wallace all night. So yeah, lots of interruptions, no need to wait for the slugs to finish their thoughts.




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“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
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Bio-medical sensors?

Pulse, sp02?


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First thoughts after a restless night. Yeah, Wallace was biased, jumped in to deflect from Biden. More importantly, the topics were pretty much a greatest bombshell hits from Trump's time in office, necessarily provocative.

The media can't glorify Biden's performance so they are attacking Trump. SOS.


Wallace knew what he was doing; Wallace designed the debate format. What was he thinking?
No opportunities at all for either candidate, especially Trump, to refute what the other just said. At one point Trump said something to the effect, "I am supposed to be debating him, but I guess I am actually debating you" to Wallace.

The result was Biden was allowed to tell lie after lie with zero opportunity for Trump to respond.

When Trump tried to respond, talking over Biden it looked bad for Trump, but it was really Wallace at fault.

This "cage match" or "shit show" will be used as Biden's excuse to say "No more debates."



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This "cage match" or "shit show" will be used as Biden's excuse to say "No more debates."
How many times do you guys want to be wrong with these predictions?

Myself, I'm sure Biden is going to find some excuse to not show up to the first debate.
 
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I caught some of the 'highlights' afterward...

I'd say the portions of DJT I saw were pretty solid...one talking head rightly pointed out, as a conservative, if you try to be 'nice', you'll be run right off the stage. After what DJT has endured during the past 3+ years from the 'media,' he appeared firm and wasn't going to bulled over. Pretty much what one should expect from the leader of the world. The left made it clear long ago that there will be no quarters given.

The MSM is of course 100% on the attach of DJT...which means ol' Sleepy didn't do so great...if he had, they'd be praising him all channels, all day/night.

My local fake news channel had about a whopping 60 seconds of coverage, and ended with the rhetorical 'Who won?' I'm sure everyone will be shocked that they found two whole people in my overwhelmingly 'blue' state who declared Biden 'won,' including one fellow claiming he was a conservative saying basically Biden had soundly dominated. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes That was it...no counter view, nothing...just yet another affirmation of what we know about Fake News.

Time will tell.

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