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Originally posted by tleo205:

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Originally posted by divil:
Any wonk that thinks the Federal Government will let some state secede from the U.S. is smoking crack.

Probably so, but I see no way that armed force is used to prevent it, the way Lincoln did in the Civil War. Short of that...maybe it is possible, however unlikely or small the chances. If commie states like Ca., Wa., and others want to go...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I think it was about 50 years ago that I read a prediction that the USA would break up into 3 to 5 countries. It happened to the USSR, so possibly could here. I don't think we're at that point yet, though.

flashguy

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Originally posted by divil:
Any wonk that thinks the Federal Government will let some state secede from the U.S. is smoking crack.

That is fully true. We just need to control the lunatic left the same way slave owners had to give in. In Cali the problem is not so much that they are hard leftists, but that they believe the propaganda hook, line, and sinker. They are sheep more than socialists.

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A general comment: the election is coming at us like a freight train now. It is a surreal situation where one of President Trump's best campaign efforts - his massive enthusiastic rallys - has been taken off the table.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around a world where anyone would actually be swayed by a rally. I know they're good for enthusiasm and all that, but anyone not voting for him isn't going to be swayed by a rally, and anyone that voted for him the first time isn't likely to find Biden a more palatable candidate, in my mind.

Gun sales, and in particular. gun sales to first time gun owners, are way up all across the country. Don't have a link but I saw one of the talking heads on OAN mention that in several key battleground states gun sales to first time gun owners is through the roof. He said that his analysis is that virtually none of these first time gun owners are likely to be Biden voters. (No surprise) His view is that this is good news for President Trump's reelection prospects.

^^^^^ He may be wrong. Those first-time buyers may just be buying "theirs" while they can, before the bans that they otherwise support can take effect. I'm not saying it's true, just that it's possible. Like many here, I'd like to think it means they are waking up.

flashguy

So, what you're saying is "guns for me, but not for thee"?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
So, what you're saying is "guns for me, but not for thee"?

Only if that were their motive. Time will tell.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
^^^^^ He may be wrong. Those first-time buyers may just be buying "theirs" while they can, before the bans that they otherwise support can take effect. I'm not saying it's true, just that it's possible. Like many here, I'd like to think it means they are waking up.

flashguy

I don't think that's it at all. I think people of all stripes and political leanings are scared, really scared, by what they're seeing and feeling. So the question becomes, are these new gun owners, who are doing something most have never considered doing before (i.e. buying a gun) because of all the chaos, unrest, and fear, are these people going to readily roll out to the polling place and pull the lever for candidates who are actively supporting the people these new gun owners bought their guns to protect themselves from. My bet, regardless their ideological background, these folks opt to vote to protect their best interests, whether that means voting for Trump or local Repub's, or by 'not' voting for the Dem's.

The MSM is really pushing gloom and doom. I, on the other hand, think this will be our finest hour. (to lift a line from Apollo 13).

Very thankful for this place and what it stands for.

You mean lift a line from Churchill.

Well. That’s just embarrassing.

But I appreciate the correction.

Live and learn

part of: Remarks by President Trump at Whirlpool Corporation Manufacturing Plant

6 Aug 2020

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bri...manufacturing-plant/

The duty of a President is to put this nation’s own citizens first. That’s why my administration swears by two simple but crucial rules: Buy American and Hire American. (Applause.)


For eight years, Whirlpool begged the Obama-Biden administration, who did nothing, to protect American workers from the flagrant dumping of foreign washers, dryers into America. But your cries for help fell on deaf ears. You didn’t see any action. They didn’t act.

For eight long years under Obama-Biden administration, American factory workers received nothing but broken promises and brazen sellouts and lost jobs. The last administration tied America up in one globalist debacle after another.

In 2013, the U.S. International Trade Commission found your competitors from Korea and other countries guilty of dumping washers into the U.S. market and ordered them to pay anti-dumping duties as high as 79 percent. But rather than pay these very high tariffs, LG and Samsung relocated production to another country — a country called China. Have you ever heard of it? And the last administration did nothing as they kept on dumping washers into the U.S. market with impunity.

In 2017, Whirlpool won relief from the ITC once again. Once more, your foreign competitors moved their factories to prevent a level playing field and to avoid liability, shifting production to Th-ailand and to Vietnam — Thailand and Vietnam, two places that I like their leaders very much. They’re very nice to us. Do they take advantage of the United States? Not so much anymore.

But this time, there was one big difference: Instead of an administration that sold out American workers and sold your company out and couldn’t have cared less for you, you finally had a president who stood up for the American worker. On January 23rd, 2018, at my desk in the Oval Office, I proudly signed the order to impose a 50 percent tariff on all foreign-made washing machines. (Applause.)

As a result, Whirlpool’s nine factories across the United States were soon thriving like never before, investing in new products, new infrastructure, and hundreds of new American jobs

one of my biggest promises in that speech was to replace the disaster known as NAFTA — one of the worst trade deals ever made by any country, let alone ours. Ohio lost almost 40 percent of its manufacturing jobs after NAFTA was signed. Half of all of the automaking jobs across the state were wiped out.

Earlier this year, I finally ended the NAFTA nightmare and signed the brand-new USMCA agreement. That’s United States and Mexico and Canada

Here’s my fourth promise to American workers: Beyond our medical supply chains, over the next four years, we will onshore millions of new manufacturing jobs across many other critical sectors that are vital to our national security and prosperity — from electronics to machine tools, to shipping, aerospace, autos, and, of course, to iron and to steel

A couple of little stories if you don’t mind. Do you mind?

No, I was with somebody and they said, “You know, for a dishwasher, we don’t have enough water, sir.” I think the — a lot of people in the audience would understand what I’m saying. They don’t have enough water because they put restrictors on, so you don’t have any water. And I said, “What is that? What is that?”

So I passed a regulation. I signed a regulation that give the dishwashers much more water.

So do you notice — the people that make the machines, you know what I’m talking about. We now have the water that you need — instead of stupid, where you have much less water than you need, and you just keep going over and over again. I had people say they’d press the button five times. They didn’t have enough water.

Remember the old lightbulb? The old lightbulb was so great, and they put it out of business. It was much cheaper, and it had much better light. And you’re all good-looking people, but you look better under the old lightbulb than that horrible, new lightbulb. Right? It cost you a fraction of the cost. Didn’t last as long, but that’s okay. But it cost you a fraction. I reinstituted and opened it up so they can sell both. They can sell the new one if you want it, and they can sell the old one. The old one is doing unbe- — amazing business.

And, you know, the new one is considered “hazardous waste.”

During eight years of the last administration, America lost 10,000 factories and nearly 200,000 manufacturing jobs — think of that. In contrast, my administration added over a half a million manufacturing jobs. It was up to actually 701,000 jobs before the plague came in.

earlier today I signed a proclamation that defends American industry by re-imposing aluminum tariffs on Canada. Canada was taking advantage of us, as usual, and I signed it, and it imposes — because the aluminum business was being decimated by Canada. Very unfair to our jobs and our great aluminum workers.

Several months ago, my administration agreed to lift those tariffs in return for a promise from the Canadian government that its aluminum industry would not flood our country with exports and kill all our aluminum jobs, which is exactly what they did. Canadian aluminum producers have broken that commitment, and the U.S. Trade Representative, Robert Lighthizer, has advised me that this step to re-impose tariffs is absolutely necessary to defend our aluminum industry.

To be a strong nation, America must be a manufacturing nation and not be led by a bunch of fools. That means protecting our national industrial base. We have to protect our great companies and our great workers.

My sixth and final promise today is to forever uphold the commitment I made from the beginning: I will always put American workers first. Always. They’ll always be put first.

As part of this commitment, on Monday, I signed an executive order to prevent government agencies, like the Tennessee Valley Authority, from replacing American workers with cheap foreign labor. There’s a very big utility run by a man that gets $8 million a year.

the Tennessee Valley Authority pays $8 million a year to the head. And after the Authority laid off 20 percent of its American technology workforce and forced them to train their foreign replacements this week, I told the chairman of the board, “You’re fired.” (Applause.) And the firings will continue unless the layoffs are reversed and the American workers are rehired.

But over the last four years, we’ve made extraordinary strides, and over the next four years together, we will turn the United States into the unrivaled manufacturing superpower of the world

much more in the speech


related:

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...for-his-second-term/

In Ohio, Donald Trump Makes Six Promises to American Workers for His Second Term

This impressed me. Not sure why it should have but it does. Good on AG Barr.

AG Bill Barr Has Driver Turn Around and Park So He Can Get Out and Thank Protesters for Supporting the Police in Virginia



Video at link.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...lice-virginia-video/

The Apocalypse Election
By William L. Gensert

I have written many times that those on the left, because they believe they are on the side of all that is right and just, are willing to commit any depravity and injustice to gain the power they need to remake America.

Most Americans, however, do not understand this about the Democrats. People believe all Americans have only the best intentions and would never deliberately harm the nation and its citizenry merely to obtain political power.

Therefore, people can only look on with incredulity as Democrats blatantly strive to keep Democrat-controlled state economies on lockdown -- and, with the help of teachers unions, keep most schools closed in an attempt to deliberately immiserate Americans and their families in the hopes their suffering can be used against Trump.

With schools closed its been estimated that as many as 20 million workers will not be able to return to employment because they lack childcare, not to mention the irreparable damage the children will suffer. Combined with the lockdowns, this will only aid in ensuring a hobbled economy with which they can blame and batter President Trump to deny him a second term as president.

And now, the Democrats are deliberately backing a candidate with not only obvious diminished mental capacity but also clear signs of dementia, despite the danger a senile president might present to the country, world, and humanity.

The Democratic Party platform ardently adopted by “Aphasic” Joe Biden would entail an abrogation of the Constitution; a gaming of the voting system and the addition of new states (D.C. & Puerto Rico) to guarantee the Democrats perennial electoral victory; and a complete revision of America’s capitalist economy, transforming it into one based on the tenets of socialism as the stout pillars of a society ruled by critical theory.

These are positions a non-diminished Joe Biden might have not only considered anathema, but also political suicide.

Yet today, out-of-control Democrats are willing to do all this damage to a more than 200-year-old nation and its people because they believe they are on the right side of history. The left considers their laudable goals as in service of the betterment of humanity and that victory “by any means necessary” is justified. When you throw off the restraint inherent in our constitutional republic, no actions are off the table.

The left’s plan has many stages. Keeping economies on lockdown and schools closed may not be enough. After failing so many times in the last few years to depose President Trump, they are leaving nothing to chance.

The past is prelude, and the Floyd riots (or the 1619 riots, if you prefer) were merely practice sessions, war-gaming, if you will, for what will come in the weeks preceding the election.

The rioting, arson, looting, and violence, now seemingly on the wane, will be redeployed by the left with ardor in the weeks running up to November’s election. If the left is to be believed, rioters are immune to COVID, allowing the Democrats to marshal Antifa, the paramilitary arm of the party, and BLM the ideological backbone of the party into the streets hoping the violence will frighten away Trump voters.


Credit: Pikist

In a reverse of Trump’s 2016 strategy to campaign strongly in battleground states, Antifa can be expected to turn those states into actual battlegrounds by massing at every polling place in these states to threaten Trump voters and prevent them from voting.

Media, the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party will sell it 24/7 as “mostly peaceful” organic protests expressing the will of the people.

Still, even all that might not be enough to turn the tide against the president.

Recently, a group of Democrat grandees called the Transition Integrity Project convened to wargame the election. John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s former presidential campaign chair, acted as Joe Biden in a scenario where Trump won reelection. In this scenario, Biden refused to concede the election.

“California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned. The House named Mr. Biden president; the Senate and White House stuck with Mr. Trump. At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to the media for cues, and waited to see what the military would do.”

You can also expect Antifa to play a prominent part in the aftermath of a Trump victory, only with a heavier emphasis on violence.

We know what will happen with a Biden victory, either an acquiescence of Americans to a “fundamental transformation of the United States of America” or a civil war.

We need only look at what is happening today, and what Democrats are already hinting at, almost 90 days out, at what they intend to do when Trump wins.

At this point, an apocalypse is probably unavoidable.

The Democrats want it that way.

https://www.americanthinker.co...alypse_election.html

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs – US Added 1.76 Million New Jobs in July Showing the US Is In Its Greatest Recovery Ever



https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...atest-recovery-ever/

I think the only thing he has to ask is the following...

were you better off economically during my first three years in office than you were under 8 years of Obama/Biden.

if the answer is yes, then why would you vote for anyone else

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
Jobs, Jobs, Jobs – US Added 1.76 Million New Jobs in July Showing the US Is In Its Greatest Recovery Ever


https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...atest-recovery-ever/

Local NBC affiliate in Salt Lake is running an AP story on their site spinning that into a weakness. Insane.

Go to the 37:49 mark and listen to some shithead reporter talk about people in the room not wearing masks. After the reporter gets booed, listen to the sweet shot President Trump gets in on this asshole.



That's me, folks- By not wearing a mask, I'm just "peacefully protesting"

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...x-until-end-of-2020/

President Trump to defer the payroll tax until the end of the year, using an executive order.

The president also said he would extend unemployment benefits, defer student loan payments and interest, and extend the eviction moratorium as well as an order requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.

“If Democrats continue to hold this critical relief hostage, I will act under my authority as president to get Americans the relief they need,” he said.

Trump said he was determined to help Americans still struggling with the virus and the cost of the economic shutdowns despite unprecedented obstruction from Congressional Democrats.

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President Trump:

Pelosi and Schumer only interested in Bailout Money for poorly run Democrat cities and states. Nothing to do with China Virus! Want one trillion dollars. No interest. We are going a different way!