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Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith

Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.


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The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled against President Trump's effort to end the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.


The ruling was 5-4 against the government, with Chief Justice John Roberts writing the opinion. Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the dissent.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...p-effort-to-end-daca
 
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...with Chief Justice John Roberts writing the opinion.
Needless to say, this isn't a surprise. Roll Eyes


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damn - this was so easy to get right
 
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This also indicates why it would be unwise for the Supreme Court to hear Second Amendment cases at this time.


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its so easy to get right, yet he seems to deliberately go out of his way to consistently get it wrong...

I just can't understand the mindset of people like him
 
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So he can't undo what another president started....yeah...
 
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I’m guessing Bush knew Roberts was a left leaning deep stater when he appointed him. I don’t recall how hard the left fought his nomination. The fact that I don’t recall it tells me it wasn’t much.


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So he can't undo what another president started....yeah...


with the stroke of #44's pen, at that...
 
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So he can't undo what another president started....yeah...


From what Dr. Radio Voice Sebastian Gorka just said a few minutes ago, the ruling was "not that he couldn't ~do~ it, just that SCOTUS ruled HOW he did it was somehow not acceptable".

Further talk between Gorka & his guest, left me with the impression has certain advantages for the next round.


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wasn't DACA written to expire? and Zippy did that because Congress wouldn't pass it so he did it by executive order?
 
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Roberts is totally worthless. Damn Bush for appointing him!
 
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So he can't undo what another president started....yeah...


From what Dr. Radio Voice Sebastian Gorka just said a few minutes ago, the ruling was "not that he couldn't ~do~ it, just that SCOTUS ruled HOW he did it was somehow not acceptable".

Further talk between Gorka & his guest, left me with the impression has certain advantages for the next round.
Ted Cruz sums it up nicely (and accurately). Roberts is now squarely playing the role of the enemy. The takeaway....we no longer live in a country bound by the law.



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wasn't DACA written to expire? and Zippy did that because Congress wouldn't pass it so he did it by executive order?


Here’s what zippy said when he announced DACA:

“ Effective immediately, the Department of Homeland Security is taking steps to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people. Over the next few months, eligible individuals who do not present a risk to national security or public safety will be able to request temporary relief from deportation proceedings and apply for work authorization.

[b]Now, let's be clear -- this is not amnesty, this is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It's not a permanent fix. This is a temporary stopgap measure[/
b] that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people. It is -- Precisely because this is temporary, Congress needs to act. There is still time for Congress to pass the DREAM Act this year, because these kids deserve to plan their lives in more than two-year increments. And we still need to pass comprehensive immigration reform that addresses our 21st century economic and security needs -- reform that gives our farmers and ranchers certainty about the workers that they'll have. Reform that gives our science and technology sectors certainty that the young people who come here to earn their PhDs won't be forced to leave and start new businesses in other countries. Reform that continues to improve our border security, and lives up to our heritage as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants.“



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wasn't DACA written to expire? and Zippy did that because Congress wouldn't pass it so he did it by executive order?


Here’s what zippy said when he announced DACA:

“ Effective immediately, the Department of Homeland Security is taking steps to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people. Over the next few months, eligible individuals who do not present a risk to national security or public safety will be able to request temporary relief from deportation proceedings and apply for work authorization.

Now, let's be clear -- this is not amnesty, this is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It's not a permanent fix. This is a temporary stopgap measure
that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people. It is -- Precisely because this is temporary, Congress needs to act. There is still time for Congress to pass the DREAM Act this year, because these kids deserve to plan their lives in more than two-year increments. And we still need to pass comprehensive immigration reform that addresses our 21st century economic and security needs -- reform that gives our farmers and ranchers certainty about the workers that they'll have. Reform that gives our science and technology sectors certainty that the young people who come here to earn their PhDs won't be forced to leave and start new businesses in other countries. Reform that continues to improve our border security, and lives up to our heritage as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants.“



“ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull.
 
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It's a shame that only a VERY small percentage of this country's population will even comprehend about what Senator Cruz is talking or explaining.



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The only way to get past this asshole's crap is to hope Ginsberg finally croaks so Trump can appoint a real conservative. Then Robert's lawlessness can be overcome.
Cruz did a great job blasting Robert's.
 
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The only way to get past this asshole's crap is to hope Ginsberg finally croaks so Trump can appoint a real conservative. Then Robert's lawlessness can be overcome.
Cruz did a great job blasting Robert's.



A real conservative like Gorsuch?

I think the solution is to stop appointing people that we think have a conservative legal philosophy and start doing what the left does - appoint people who are committed to advancing our agenda no matter what the law says. The court is no longer a neutral arbiter of the law. It is a legislature of last resort. So let's appoint people who will give us the law we want.

Clearly, Republican presidents and the Federalist society are unable to accurately evaluate a SCOTUS candidate's approach to legal issues. Ideas like originalism and textualism are insufficiently well-defined to allow the selection of "conservative" justices and leave lots of wiggle room for justices to 'evolve" on the bench.

As we've seen, a court opinion can be drafted to support just about any outcome, so let's do away with pretense and just focus on finding people who will be reliable votes for our agenda. We can ram them through with 50 votes (plus the VP). And the argument that the left will just do that also doesn't apply because they already do it (and most of the GOP goes along with it, so those justices get way more than 50 votes).

When I was in law school, my trial law professor would always say that when it comes to picking a jury, you'd settle for 12 people who can be fair and impartial but you'd prefer people who will see it your way and only your way. That's the approach we need to SCOTUS nominations. Otherwise we will get more like Roberts, Kennedy, Gorsuch, etc.
 
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John Roberts needs to be removed

I don't care how, but he needs to be removed as he's no longer serving the country

The President and the Senate put him there, they can figure out how to remove him - the fact that a procedure 'doesn't exist' is just a mere technicality for someone like Roberts
 
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Did he side with the liberals Or Was the case not properly \ adequately presented to result in the outcome we wanted?


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