Originally posted by trapper189: So, 67%, not 94%.
Yes, 94% or approximately, of registered voters. But 67% of VAP (voter aged population) voters, two very different numbers, but both very telling of the 2020 election.
In previous elections voter turnout VAP numbers are: 1996-49%, 2000-50.5%, 2004-55.5%, 2008-57%, 2012-53.5%, 2016-54.5%. The largest turnout modern history was 1960 at 62.5%. So 2020 numbers are extremely high, extremely unlikely, especially almost 95% of registered voters cast ballots. I call bullshit on that.
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August 04, 2024, 04:55 PM
Lefty Sig
^^^ Of course, they claim it's because mail-in ballots result in higher turnout because they make voting easier. And more people voting with fewer impediments is better for "democracy".
8 "states" have universal mail-in ballots. California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia. They are all hard-blue except Utah which is hard-red. The electoral votes in these states are assumed to be in the bag for their side and will not change the overall election outcome.
Nebraska and North Dakota allow counties to opt-in to mail-in ballots - both states are hard-red
Including the mail-in states, there are a total of 35 (Puerto Rico and USVI allow it too but don't have electoral college votes. 16 states require a valid reason.
All of the "swing states" allow no-reason absentee voting, but a request does have to be made. I looked up Michigan and they require a request, but allow a box to be checked to be added to the "permanent" absentee list, so I'm going to be a lot of these activists groups will help people do this.
I do think without COVID as an excuse to change voting, it will be harder for the democrats to harvest ballots. But that's no guaranty there won't be shenanigans.
August 04, 2024, 07:28 PM
Black92LX
quote:
Originally posted by Bassamatic: Wait, what? Zuckerberg is not supporting a democrat. Is he voting for Trump?
Supporting and voting are 2 very different things. He will not give any money to a Democrat or do ads or speak in their favor.
He very much will vote for them when in the voting booth.
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August 04, 2024, 07:56 PM
spunk639
quote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
quote:
Originally posted by Bassamatic: Wait, what? Zuckerberg is not supporting a democrat. Is he voting for Trump?
Supporting and voting are 2 very different things. He will not give any money to a Democrat or do ads or speak in their favor.
He very much will vote for them when in the voting booth.
Did he call you up and let you know? Just curious how you know, I'm not fan of his but I'm inclined to actually appreciate the risk he took saying that given the backlash the lefties will give him.
August 04, 2024, 08:01 PM
12131
^^^ I do appreciate that he spoke out, and I have no clues how he is going to vote, but pretty sure he, being mega rich, doesn't give two fucks what anyone else, left or right, say or think about him.
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August 04, 2024, 08:54 PM
Lefty Sig
Not spending 400M Zuckerbucks on illegally partisan "voter registration" schemes is an improvement.
August 04, 2024, 09:10 PM
Rick Lee
Zuckerberg lives in KA. It's not like his vote is going to change anything.
August 04, 2024, 09:28 PM
trapper189
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Originally posted by chellim1: OK. That makes sense.
Still, if it went from 61.4% in 2016 to 66.8% in 2020... that's enough. No one could believe that voter turnout was higher for Joe Biden than for Barack Obama in 2008 (63.6%).
I don’t think the increase was people voting for Biden more so than Orange Man Bad.
The stat itself is relatively meaningless in terms of proving vote fraud because it’s just the popular vote which has no bearing on the election. In other words, there’s no reason to manipulate it. If you really want, you could look at percentage change in voter turnout for each state. If every state had the same percentage change, then it would be hard to argue it was due to ballot stuffing in big solid blue states like California and New York when there was no point for the presidential election in those states and it wouldn’t be worth the risk for zero gain.
I’d actually expect a big bump in turnout in swing states because people get the feeling that their vote means something. Look at Florida in 2016 where turnout was 74.5% and Trump beat Clinton by only 115,000 votes out of 9.1 million total. In 2020, turnout was 77.2%, Biden actual won two more counties than Clinton in 2016, Trump received 1,050,000 more votes than he did in 2016, and Biden got only 800,000 more votes than Clinton did so Biden lost by 300,000 votes in Florida. I know I was more motivated in 2020 because we almost lost it in 2016, but I guess the only explanation for the increase in voter turnout in Florida is that the Republicans stuffed ballots better than the Democrats? <-Sarcasm.
I’m not saying that I don’t believe vote fraud didn’t happen, just that the change in turnout in the popular vote isn’t an indicator that it did. That number is driven by the most populous states and those states had no reason to commit vote fraud.
August 04, 2024, 09:40 PM
Rightwire
I see a LOT of Trump shirts, hats, flags, banners, signs etc. I haven't seen a Harris item yet. There is one house with a Biden Harris sign that is clearly from 4 years ago.
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August 04, 2024, 10:13 PM
trapper189
I keep meaning to take a picture of the “Democrats suck” sign on the east side of M33 just before it T’s off into M32.
August 05, 2024, 07:41 AM
chellim1
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On Sunday Morning Futures, President Trump sat down for an economic discussion with Maria Bartiromo.
President Trump focuses correctly on inflation and the root cause, The Green New Deal. Joe Biden’s energy policy was the biggest trigger on consumer price increases. The energy policy fueled inflation caused by monetary policy. President Trump correctly notes the first step in dealing with the inflation dynamic is to lower the energy prices. WATCH:
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August 05, 2024, 09:04 AM
6guns
...first two weeks!
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August 05, 2024, 11:48 AM
parabellum
Forget the border and anything else. The critical factor in the upcoming election is the economy, by far, because it affects all but the most wealthy people. I'm not talking about losing money on paper. I'm talking about the day to day stuff. Having a job, affording groceries and rent or a mortgage and fuel and medical costs and all of it which is sucking the life out of people.
It's a death sentence for the Democrats, what's going on and has been going on for the entire time Biden has been in office.
August 05, 2024, 12:20 PM
darthfuster
Remember, “It’s the economy, stupid.”? It worked for the Left. Now it should be used to destroy their campaign.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
August 05, 2024, 01:54 PM
bronicabill
Latest in the long list of failures of the USSS in not protecting President Trump! "Long gun" was shouted into the radios at least 30 seconds before the shooting began, but the USSS did nothing...
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August 05, 2024, 02:02 PM
Timdogg6
Apparently, a rape whistle was all that was really needed to stop this and that my friends is fact. This is so messed up.
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August 05, 2024, 03:50 PM
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August 05, 2024, 04:02 PM
justjoe
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The Western Journal: "Long gun" shouted into radio before shooting
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