Hi Para,

I only want to know the truth of what happened that day, and the events that led up to it which allowed it to happen.

Respectfully,

Rob

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Originally posted by Cookster:
If he was killed with a round fired from a sniper’s rifle with mostly direct hit and assuming a caliber larger than 5.56, wouldn’t there be more ‘splatter’ in the area around where his head is?

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Originally posted by Chowser:

Note the ragged flesh visible at the back of the neck just below the ear. That’s where a significant blood flow onto the nose originates. Although it’s just one image that doesn’t show the exit wound clearly, that degree of damage seems completely reasonable based on what has been reported about the bullet the USSS sniper fired.

If, as reported, the bullet was a 190 grain nonexpanding open tip match-type projectile, its energy transfer and wounding effects wouldn’t have reached maximum levels until the bullet started to tumble as it traveled through the head. Based on how similar, but lighter, bullets perform in ballistic test medium (gelatin), the bullet probably traveled most of the way through the cranium before tumbling occurred—if then.

The shot was obviously effective despite however the bullet performed, but of various bullet types, calibers, and velocities that might be involved in similar head shots, I would expect a 190 grain OTM projectile at 300 Winchester Magnum velocities at 190 yards to produce among the least dramatic visible wounding effects.

And as for visible splatter, the killer’s position when shot would probably have meant that much of the ejected blood and tissue from the head would have ended up on his back.

The area I’m referring to.

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Originally posted by Tn226:

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stopped agreeing with the "There are still a lot of good agents in the field" statement quite a while ago. T

I’ll disagree just a bit.

I have a relative about to retire from FBI. Was an instructor at the academy for several years. The differences between the younger newer agents and those of the older generation are disturbing and deep. You can blame DEI for some of it, a dumbing down of the population for some of it, gen x work ethics, such as they are, for some.

The good ones are still out there but they’re rapidly being put out to pasture and are rarely, if ever, assigned anything more than mundane tasks.

Welcome to Law Enforcement and States / District Attorneys / Judges offices all over!
Put a social justice warrior in charge, he/she/it puts their people in the right places, promote some like-minded individuals willing to tow (or toe) the company line... It doesn't take long, but in a few years, now you have different layers of bullshit you have to get through to turn the ship around.
Local, County, State, Federal... It's been happening for a few years now.

As far as the promotions, or should I say "Jamming them up the ladder"; competency be damned!
They promote "My Guy / Girl". Based on loyalty (not that there's anything wrong with having a loyal person) and affiliation to whatever group, and not on important things such as skill, competency, work ethic.


"We're going to promote "XYZ", because "XYZ" thinks like us, and will do what we tell them to do without question. Hell, they're not smart enough to think on their own, we'll tell them what to think!"

Then expand the above statement to "X, Y and X", and see how fast things change.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
A few things of note from the video Para posted above:

1. The guy with the body cam counted 8 empty cases on the roof.

At what point?
At 4:55 I hear 5 counted.

Wait, someone show me the grassy knoll....

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Wait, someone show me the grassy knoll....

Well... How about a gassy troll?

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Wait, someone show me the grassy knoll....

Well... How about a gassy troll?

A stretch but ok....

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
A few things of note from the video Para posted above:

1. The guy with the body cam counted 8 empty cases on the roof.

At what point?
At 4:55 I hear 5 counted.

What did you hear @ 24 minutes?

Turns out Greg, the Beaver County ESU sniper who was posted in the second floor window, shot himself in the leg while in his office at the police station last December:
"A monaca police officer is back at work and doing fine after accidentally shooting himself in the leg last month. According to two law enforcement sources, Police Sergeant Gregory Nicol was in his office at the Monaca Police Station on December 15 when he unholstered his duty weapon to show it to another officer.“ Link

““There were three counter-snipers located in the building that the shooter eventually used to take shots at Trump,” one officer told BeaverCountian.com…
Among those municipal counter-snipers was Sergeant Gregory Nicol of the Monaca Borough Police Department. Nicol was providing security at the Trump rally in his role as a member of the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit (ESU), the county’s equivalent of a SWAT team.“ Link

The body cam officer told the Secret Service agent Greg was the guy that took pictures of the shooter.

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Remember that pretty much the only info being released by LE or alphabet agencies, supports the narrative desired. Unless it is video shot by rally goers.

No drones, no dogs, too steep of roof, no counter snipers on water tower, no semi trailers between unsecured roof and stage, perfect sniper hide outside perimeter. Shooter just happened to choose perfect hide that amazingly happened to be the one uncovered. Counter snipers let him get off 8 rounds?

Why is rifle not being held by dead shooter in video? LE moved it away to prevent further shots?

Forget about the knife Trump needs to use a machete! Long read but lays out with clarity why these agency's need to be gutted down to the bone and then the bones burned.

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Understand and accept this with great seriousness, there are no honorable “rank and file” inside this organization.

Every member of the FBI is a participant in the weaponization of power and government. The members are jackboots recruited from ideological college campuses for exactly the purpose of supporting a Stasi-like police state.

Link

^^^ Yep, it's long... but worth the read. It gives a whole lot of background on the politicized FBI.

Whistleblower Report – Trust Lost: Local and State Law Enforcement Stop Cooperating and Sharing Information with Politicized FBI

Miranda Devine has an interesting op-ed today in the New York Post, sharing information gleaned from a group of law enforcement who are no longer cooperating with what they see as a highly politicized FBI.

The underlying issue is not a surprise to many of us, and the specific reasons for the distrust and lack of cooperation are, not surprisingly, exactly what we predicted long before their assembly came together.

https://theconservativetreehou...ith-politicized-fbi/

When I was in high school some 60+ years ago a local prosecutor was invited to come to a class to warn us about the dangers of breaking the law. As he walked into the class from the door at the rear he introduced himself by doing something that would be unimaginable today, but didn’t excite any particular notice at the time: He fired several shots from a revolver using blanks. He then asked us students to indicate how many shots he fired by raising our hands: Was it three, four, five, …. We had people who guessed every possible number.

Although even today the relevance of his action to his subsequent presentation seems like somewhat of a stretch, the point of it was to demonstrate how unreliable eyewitness testimony can be. (“In all this excitement, I’ve sort of lost track myself. Was it six shots or only five? Do you feel lucky, punk?”)

So now in addition to the shooter’s being Chinese; he got to the roof with a 5-foot ladder; No, it was by climbing other aids; five, seven, or who knows how many shots were fired; the incident was all staged to boost Trump’s popularity by having a mediocre suicidal marksman using an AR with red dot sight deliberately nick his ear just at the absolute right moment from 150+ yards away; Trump wasn’t injured by a bullet but by a piece of teleprompter; “I’m so much of a ballistics expert that just by looking at a totally blurred out picture I can tell that the assassin wasn’t killed by a Secret Service sniper.”

In view of all that, the fact that some people believe that at least two abysmal shooters using totally inappropriate weapons for the task were actually involved in the murder attempt is not the least bit surprising.
Yeah, that must be it.

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two abysmal shooters

A deadly shot was made.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:

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two abysmal shooters

A deadly shot was made.

By both sides.

One was a murder and tragedy for the Comperatores; the other prevented further murders and tragedy.

NJ candidate for governor wants Rutgers prof fired over Trump comment.

Read More: Durr wants Rutgers prof fired over Trump attempt post | https://nj1015.com/json-ed-dur...&utm_medium=referral

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Why is rifle not being held by dead shooter in video? LE moved it away to prevent further shots?

There's a couple frames in the video Para linked yesterday where the body is visible up close that the blurring didn't catch. Shooter's hands were zip tied behind his back. I assume the hands were restrained and the rifle moved just as part of procedure. Yes, the back half of his head was blown open, but that's what they do.

In the video, there’s mention of someone attempting first aid before the body cam guy got there. I’m guessing steps one and two of doing that would be move weapons away from bad guy and cuff bad guy.

Excuse my French but FUUUUCK YEAH

A BIG middle finger to the incompetent USSS who wants him to stay hiding inside venues now. He better have about 1,000 private security now though as they’ve proved they’re not capable

https://x.com/scottpresler/sta...935967430754597?s=46

^^^ He IS the man!

Giant middle finger