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The Trump Presidency : Year IV
July 16, 2024, 02:17 PM
ridewvThe Trump Presidency : Year IV
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July 16, 2024, 02:17 PM
x0225095What the hell is she talking about?
Am I missing something…aren’t all the roofs there slightly sloping ?
I’m a bit of a black helicopter guy by default but I’m trying to go with it here. But it’s so damned close to being nefariously incompetent that it’s tempting me to go down that conspiracy road.
Show some honor and step down lady.
We’ll sort it out after you’re gone.
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July 16, 2024, 02:18 PM
trapper189quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
You fellas be sure to stay off of barely sloping roofs, or uneven floors. Maybe stairs, too. If these things are to dangerous for the professionals of the by God USSS, then, they're too dangerous for us.
My son and I are fishing the Trout River just north of Roger’s City, MI. We walked across a bunch of slippery and shifting rocks under the bridge for US23. I kid you not, I thought Secret Service can’t get me, too dangerous.
July 16, 2024, 02:28 PM
kkinaInstead of complaining, why don't we do something to actually address the problem? What do you say to a group buy of these for donating to the SS?
"Sorry, but that roof is 2 degrees outside our safety perimeter."
July 16, 2024, 02:31 PM
Keystonerquote:
Originally posted by justjoe:
The night of the shooting, Laura Ingraham said that it was either incompetence, or something much worse – malice. Now, three days beyond that, it seems to me that is the only reasonable position.
Based on everything we know now, I don't see how one possibility or the other can be absolutely ruled out.
Incompetence will be shocking. Malice will bring walls down.
That's not an all-inclusive list. I'll add complacency to it.
Year V July 16, 2024, 02:59 PM
Fly-Sigquote:
Originally posted by oddball:
I made a quick trip to the store and I caught the start of the Dan Bongino radio show. No link, but he stated that from his sources, out of the whole group of agents directly guarding Trump, only three of them were Secret Service, the rest were personnel from Homeland Security.
It seems to me, as someone with no relevant experience, that regular police have a very different frame of reference than trained protective professionals. Even police snipers and DHS officers. SS would be experienced and keyed into a whole different thought process of multiple layers of what-if and of proactive intervention. Police would be more reactive, and oriented to the common kinds of criminal activities they deal with daily.
Not an excuse, but an explanation of how local police and even DHS officers would make errors that a regular SS presidential detail would not make.
A failure of the leadership for sure.
July 16, 2024, 03:00 PM
RichardCquote:
Originally posted by sse:
cheatle can say she accepts the blame all she wants, but that doesn't negate the fact that many bear responsibility for the failure
Seppuku. But who would be her kaishaku?
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July 16, 2024, 03:09 PM
2012BOSS302There is a whole host of incompetence to go around at every level of the government over this (federal/state/local). Sadly their incompetence is getting people killed.
And if malice was involved, or intended, this clearly shows how totally incompetent they all are.
Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a leader, politicians are a dime a dozen, leaders are priceless. July 16, 2024, 03:11 PM
Russ59quote:
Originally posted by mark60:
I work in a block building with a steel roof. When the HVAC guy goes up on the roof, everyone inside, in every corner of the building, knows there's someone on the roof. How three snipers inside couldn't hear someone on the roof amazes me.
Who knows if the building has insulated ceilings or false ceiling tiles. And with the loudspeakers from the rally, it's possible they wouldn't have heard footsteps on the roof. And who knows what noise was inside the building? TV and radio?
We still don't know everything, but from what I've read and seen - incompetency and perhaps complacency seem to be the front runners.
P229
July 16, 2024, 03:14 PM
ssemore news is on the way, things are happening rapidly
July 16, 2024, 03:25 PM
Sig2340quote:
Originally posted by RichardC:
quote:
Originally posted by sse:
cheatle can say she accepts the blame all she wants, but that doesn't negate the fact that many bear responsibility for the failure
Seppuku. But who would be her kaishaku?
Can I use my
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Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
July 16, 2024, 03:30 PM
nhracecraftquote:
Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
I made a quick trip to the store and I caught the start of the Dan Bongino radio show. No link, but he stated that from his sources, out of the whole group of agents directly guarding Trump, only three of them were Secret Service, the rest were personnel from Homeland Security.
It seems to me, as someone with no relevant experience, that regular police have a very different frame of reference than trained protective professionals. Even police snipers and DHS officers. SS would be experienced and keyed into a whole different thought process of multiple layers of what-if and of proactive intervention. Police would be more reactive, and oriented to the common kinds of criminal activities they deal with daily.
Not an excuse, but an explanation of how local police and even DHS officers would make errors that a regular SS presidential detail would not make.
A failure of the leadership for sure.
They should NOT get a pass, or even the slightest benefit of the doubt here! He was seen multiple times, and acting sketchy such that they even photographed him. He was seen with backpack (not a small one if it was the one pictured on the roof), AND using a rangefinder! Even most of the non-LEO members of SIGforum posting in this thread would've seen these as CLUEs requiring further investigation. SOMEBODY should've got their ass out of the AC and headed outside to confront him!
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July 16, 2024, 03:33 PM
ugeestaquote:
<insert joke here about restricting ladders; especially ones with a high step count>
We will never know world peace, until three people can simultaneously look each other straight in the eye
Liberals are like pussycats and Twitter is Trump's laser pointer to keep them busy while he takes care of business - Rey HRH.
July 16, 2024, 03:37 PM
kkinaDad: What did you buy a ladder for, son?
TMC: To get a better shot of Trump.
Dad: Why are you borrowing my AR?
TMC: To get a better shot of Trump.
July 16, 2024, 03:40 PM
DennisMquote:
Originally posted by Keystoner:
That's not an all-inclusive list. I'll add complacency to it.
I know several USSS guys who have risen to positions of responsibility despite being absolute mouth-breathing, window-licking idiots.
Yeah, it's a limited sample size, but their "idiocy output" has been consistent for over 20 years-- from Day One at FLETC-- and that makes me believe that it's not just tolerated in the USSS but actually celebrated and cultivated. All of this makes me lean hard towards "Incompetence."
July 16, 2024, 03:40 PM
Sig2340Dad: What did you buy a ladder for, son?
Failed Assassin: To climb.
Dad: Why do you want to climb it?
Failed Assassin: Because its there.
Dad: There? Where?
Failed Assassin: Leaning against the only unprotected building roof overlooking Orangemanbad's rally Saturday.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
July 16, 2024, 03:51 PM
Johnny 3eagles
If you're goin' through hell, keep on going.
Don't slow down. If you're scared don't show it.
You might get out before the devil even knows you're there.
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July 16, 2024, 03:53 PM
12131BREAKING NEWS Police officer shoots and kills armed suspect just outside the Republican convention in Milwaukee
That's from the Daily Mail. I can't make the link, as I'm posting from my cell.
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