Simply because I believe that “Guy on roof with rifle” should be an automatic shoot scenario, does not mean that is true.
So…anyone with experience?
I am authorized to use deadly force to defend myself or others who are threatened with deadly force, or to take into custody a violent fleeing felon whose arrest is immediately necessary due to presenting an immediate danger to the public and all other means of apprehension are exhausted or ineffective.
A subject on a roof during a political rally aiming a weapon at a crowd of people clearly meets that definition.
Should that subject fire shots, drop the weapon, and then begin running towards a bus full of children he would meet the second situation provided he did not stop upon being warned or that no warning was possible.
They simply didn’t see him until after he fired, at which point he was immediately rendered non threatening. The most likely scenario is everyone thought someone else was watching that particular roof. It’s clearly a massive failure and heads will roll over whether that means public firings or quiet “resignations.”
July 14, 2024, 01:17 PM
parabellum
The Mississippi Democrat congressman's field director who said "don't miss next time" has been fired, per Fox News.
Styxhexenhammer666 suggested the Trump Campaign seek the endorsement of Evander Holyfield.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
July 14, 2024, 01:21 PM
Hobbs
Wonder how he got on top of the AGR building? Ladder of opportunity or transported one there?
July 14, 2024, 01:24 PM
Mustang-PaPa
Hadn't seen the picture where a bullet went through Trumps jacket.
Wife just showed it to me.
July 14, 2024, 01:25 PM
fischtown7
quote:
Originally posted by Hobbs: Wonder how he got on top of the AGR building? Ladder of opportunity or transported one there?
Somebody had a link which showed the ladder propped up against the causeway on the building. If you look at streetview of parking lot loading dock you can see a view ways to get on roof without ladder.
July 14, 2024, 01:25 PM
6guns
quote:
Originally posted by Hobbs: Wonder how he got on top of the AGR building? Ladder of opportunity or transported one there?
I believe the guy who was interviewed as seeing the shooter and tried to tell the cops....said he saw a ladder between the buildings.
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July 14, 2024, 01:26 PM
Gustofer
quote:
Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa: Hadn't seen the picture where a bullet went through Trumps jacket.
Massive motorcade of patriotic supporters are driving past Trump Tower. Love it!!!
If it won't matter in 5 years don't give it more than 5 minutes.
July 14, 2024, 01:32 PM
Mustang-PaPa
Thank you.
July 14, 2024, 01:33 PM
sse
quote:
Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
quote:
Originally posted by xd45man: I want to make a comment in general about the words floating around the net about the supposed incompetence of the female SS officers. This was a game and not practice. There was adrenaline and the fog of war in full effect. I don't know SS procedures, but when I watched video of those women, I saw them put their backs against the protection vehicle and I saw their heads on swivels looking around. I'm thinking they were following orders that were being relayed to them by someone who was also on adrenaline.
The important thing is that the team got President Trump to safety.
Agreed, they looked fine to me. I care about SS being able to draw quickly and shoot the right target (and not the wrong one), I care about them reflexively surrounding and protecting POTUS, I care they keep their heads on a swivel looking for threats... etc. I honestly don't care if they can re-holster a weapon with style under pressure.
In the coming days as more analysis is given to this event I'm sure there will be plenty of room for legitimate critiques on the Secret Service, but this isn't it.
bongino just excoriated the SS this morning on Fox. he said the SS around the president did a lousy job, too, not following protocols from start to finish
July 14, 2024, 01:36 PM
12131
^^^ From someone who was one of them. .
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July 14, 2024, 01:36 PM
konata88
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum: The Mississippi Democrat congressman's field director who said "don't miss next time" has been fired, per Fox News.
Good. With her language skills, should never have been hired.
As penance, these people should be forced to enumerate 20 items from Trump's current platform or prior accomplishments and prepare a detailed analysis to be reviewed / approved by Trump.
And then publish that analysis with a public apology.
The actions of these people should hurt beyond just getting fired. They should be forced to learn the truth.
"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
July 14, 2024, 01:39 PM
Sig2340
PedoJoe speaking this afternoon.
Flanked by the Three Stooges.
Per Pedo's statement he is planning an Oval Office address tonight, too.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
July 14, 2024, 01:43 PM
sse
quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer:
quote:
Originally posted by 911Boss:
Really interested in the final after action report on this,
Don't hold your breath. First, they "won't comment on an ongoing investigation", and then it'll be time to set up committees and commissions and special counsels, etc.... It'll be a good long time before we learn the facts here, if ever.
and heavily censored, and not necessarily truthful
