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Man identified as parent of a middle school student shot/killed by police at school
January 29, 2019, 09:42 AM
ubelongoutsideMan identified as parent of a middle school student shot/killed by police at school
What really scares the bejesus out of me is how long they let him keep his hand in his pocket.
I'm not trying to Monday morning quarterback these two guys as they clearly got the job done and went home so they did good.
In hindsight though knowing what we know now about what he had in his pocket, my stomach drops every time I see the officer folding his paperwork with both hands. If the POS had chosen that time to draw I think the outcome would have been much worse.
Glad it ended as it did though with only the bad guy getting hurt. Sucks for all else involved though with the exception of the wastes of breath that are trying to defend him.
January 29, 2019, 10:42 AM
sigspecopsI highly doubt that this idiot got a chl for the reasons that most of us on this forum get one. That’s taboo for a left wing activist. He had sick fantasies of resistance and a confrontation with the police or some other “oppressor” was gonna happen sooner or later.
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January 29, 2019, 10:45 AM
Wyatt_jrquote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog:
And this will be added to the list of stats of "School Shooting," too.
Good one for the statistics. Solid proof that "a good guy with a gun" ends the bullshit quickly.
January 29, 2019, 01:21 PM
bare bonesSomeone said that the deceased had a "concealed Carry" license and, because of that, he could carry a firearm in and on school grounds. I don't know about the Oregon laws in regard to this, but I tend to question this assertion, since both statutes would be in conflict. Anybody know the states' responsibility?
ubelongoutside , I totally agree. That and the uninspected knapsack inside the school bothered me.
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January 29, 2019, 01:39 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by bare bones:
Someone said that the deceased had a "concealed Carry" license and, because of that, he could carry a firearm in and on school grounds. I don't know about the Oregon laws in regard to this, but I tend to question this assertion, since both statutes would be in conflict. Anybody know the states' responsibility?
It is up to the State. The Gun Free Zone Act specifies that those who are authorized and licensed by the state are exempt.
Utah is an example. With my CCW, I am legally allowed to carry in a school, even my daughters pre-school. Kindergarten through the 8th grade up to the University of Utah...I can carry in them all legally. BYU is a private school that doesn't take tax payer money so they set their own rules, and they prohibit firearms on campus, though violating this is not in and of itself a criminal act.
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January 29, 2019, 01:42 PM
slosigquote:
Originally posted by bare bones:
Someone said that the deceased had a "concealed Carry" license and, because of that, he could carry a firearm in and on school grounds. I don't know about the Oregon laws in regard to this, but I tend to question this assertion, since both statutes would be in conflict. Anybody know the states' responsibility?
ubelongoutside , I totally agree. That and the uninspected knapsack inside the school bothered me.
ORS 166.370(1) Any person who intentionally possesses a loaded or unloaded firearm or any other instrument used as a dangerous weapon, while in or on a public building, shall upon conviction be guilty of a Class C felony.
ORS 166.370(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
...[snip]...
(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 to carry a concealed handgun.
...[snip]...
Subsection (2) basically says don’t be bringing your gat to court. Subsection (3) has exemptions to subsection (1), but not to (2).
CA used to be like this until a few years ago when the GDCs passed SB 707.
January 29, 2019, 01:46 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by tacfoley:
Quote - "Perlow added: “Officer Timm saved the life of Officer Johns, himself and perhaps many others given the number of rounds Charles Landeros had loaded in his weapon. There is no clearer circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this."
But if he only had three or four rounds in his gun . . . ?
I don't understand that at all.
Obviously, the shooting was justified. He started shooting at the police in the legitimate performance of their duties.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. January 29, 2019, 02:38 PM
tacfoleyquote:
Originally posted by ubelongoutside:
Glad it ended as it did though with only the bad guy getting hurt.
He probably didn't feel a thing.
My old pal Derek got shot in the head in Northern Ireland, and says it was totally painless. Waking up five weeks later, coming out of a medically-induced coma, now THAT hurt.
January 29, 2019, 02:51 PM
AeteoclesHas anyone ever, in the history of policing, won an argument or convinced an officer to change his mind in the time period between "You are under arrest" and the cuffs are put on?
When the police want the cuffs on, let them put the cuffs on. You can talk it out with them after your ass is seated on the curb or in the back of the patrol vehicle.
January 29, 2019, 03:07 PM
snorisquote:
Originally posted by Wino:
These people live in pure fantasy.
They have created, in their own certain reality, where these thoughts are their truth.
Of course, they are wrong.
But no argument, no matter how factual it may be, will ever correct their mind.
So what is the solution?
Based on the Civil Liberties Defense Center’s description of the incident, I guess we have to qualify the word “they” to describe just Charlie, or more than one person? I’m confused....
January 29, 2019, 03:11 PM
FredwardHe had the courage of his convictions, and is a better man for it. By better I mean dead.
January 29, 2019, 06:17 PM
taco68quote:
Originally posted by ubelongoutside:
What really scares the bejesus out of me is how long they let him keep his hand in his pocket.
I'm not trying to Monday morning quarterback these two guys as they clearly got the job done and went home so they did good.
In hindsight though knowing what we know now about what he had in his pocket, my stomach drops every time I see the officer folding his paperwork with both hands. If the POS had chosen that time to draw I think the outcome would have been much worse.
Glad it ended as it did though with only the bad guy getting hurt. Sucks for all else involved though with the exception of the wastes of breath that are trying to defend him.
This is the first thing I thought of too. I watched the video several times just to be sure he drew that gun out with that same hand!
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January 29, 2019, 06:37 PM
Stramboquote:
Originally posted by taco68:
quote:
Originally posted by ubelongoutside:
What really scares the bejesus out of me is how long they let him keep his hand in his pocket.
I'm not trying to Monday morning quarterback these two guys as they clearly got the job done and went home so they did good.
In hindsight though knowing what we know now about what he had in his pocket, my stomach drops every time I see the officer folding his paperwork with both hands. If the POS had chosen that time to draw I think the outcome would have been much worse.
Glad it ended as it did though with only the bad guy getting hurt. Sucks for all else involved though with the exception of the wastes of breath that are trying to defend him.
This is the first thing I thought of too. I watched the video several times just to be sure he drew that gun out with that same hand!
I noticed that as well and I 100% guarantee the officers were very aware and concerned about that hand.
However; they are dealing with a parent, inside a school, with kids all around, in a liberal state, in one of the most liberal towns in that state.
This is how hard and dangerous their job is! What was the alternative, draw down on him and demand the hand comes out of the pocket given the variables mentioned above? Put their hand on their sidearm when talking to him? It was truly a lose-lose situation. These situations will remain lose-lose for the cops until they get more community support to deal with situations more proactively.
As to the legality of CCW in a school in OR, it is absolutely legal as per the statutes posted above. The problem isn't that he had a gun, but that he refused to leave, then resisted arrest, then pulled out his gun and then squeezed the trigger...twice even.
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KMitch200quote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog:
quote:
Originally posted by KMitch200:
This "outrage" is spewed by the same stinking commies that add to the list of names of "gun deaths" they call out at anti-gun rallies, KNOWN TERRORISTS WHO HAVE KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE as "victims of gun violence" who were taken out by the cops.
And this will be added to the list of stats of "School Shooting," too.
Good point.
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January 30, 2019, 05:59 AM
911BossArticle I read said the deceased was involved in antifa and “trained” others in firearms
What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
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January 31, 2019, 11:00 AM
Greymann[QUOTE]Originally posted by 911Boss:
Article I read said the deceased was involved in antifa and “trained” others in firearms
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Yes, and some group called "Red Army"
January 31, 2019, 12:02 PM
ChicagoSigManquote:
Originally posted by Greymann:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 911Boss:
Article I read said the deceased was involved in antifa and “trained” others in firearms
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All that trainging did was get him shot dead. I'd ask for a refund. Wait...nope....can't.
January 31, 2019, 01:29 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
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In addition to an illegally carried pistol, he also toted a backpack full of loaded magazines.
I thought someone said that he had a CCW. What made the pistol illegal to carry if that were true?
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January 31, 2019, 01:52 PM
Bulldog7972quote:
Originally posted by Strambo:
quote:
Originally posted by taco68:
quote:
Originally posted by ubelongoutside:
What really scares the bejesus out of me is how long they let him keep his hand in his pocket.
I'm not trying to Monday morning quarterback these two guys as they clearly got the job done and went home so they did good.
In hindsight though knowing what we know now about what he had in his pocket, my stomach drops every time I see the officer folding his paperwork with both hands. If the POS had chosen that time to draw I think the outcome would have been much worse.
Glad it ended as it did though with only the bad guy getting hurt. Sucks for all else involved though with the exception of the wastes of breath that are trying to defend him.
This is the first thing I thought of too. I watched the video several times just to be sure he drew that gun out with that same hand!
I noticed that as well and I 100% guarantee the officers were very aware and concerned about that hand.
However; they are dealing with a parent, inside a school, with kids all around, in a liberal state, in one of the most liberal towns in that state.
This is how hard and dangerous their job is! What was the alternative, draw down on him and demand the hand comes out of the pocket given the variables mentioned above? Put their hand on their sidearm when talking to him? It was truly a lose-lose situation. These situations will remain lose-lose for the cops until they get more community support to deal with situations more proactively.
As to the legality of CCW in a school in OR, it is absolutely legal as per the statutes posted above. The problem isn't that he had a gun, but that he refused to leave, then resisted arrest, then pulled out his gun and then squeezed the trigger...twice even.
Spot on post.