A federal judge in Phoenix formally dismissed the criminal case against former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Wednesday, accepting President Donald Trump's pardon of the controversial lawman.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton dismissed Arpaio's conviction with prejudice, meaning the matter cannot be tried again. The judge is still mulling a request from Arpaio's attorneys to throw out all rulings in the case.
Arpaio was convicted in July of criminal contempt for what Bolton described as "flagrant disregard" of a 2011 court order to halt traffic patrols that targeted immigrants.
Trump pardoned Arpaio Aug. 25, setting off a firestorm of criticism from immigration advocates and congressional Democrats, more than 30 of whom asked Bolton to declare the pardon invalid and move forward with sentencing.
Three outside legal advocacy groups had also requested that the pardon be declared invalid or unconstitutional, arguing that letting it stand would encourage government officials to flout future court orders on matters involving people's constitutional rights.
Trump pardoned Arpaio Aug. 25, setting off a firestorm of criticism from immigration advocates and congressional Democrats, more than 30 of whom asked Bolton to declare the pardon invalid and move forward with sentencing.
Three outside legal advocacy groups had also requested that the pardon be declared invalid or unconstitutional, arguing that letting it stand would encourage government officials to flout future court orders on matters involving people's constitutional rights.
I am curious what legal grounds these folks gave for requesting the judge to declare the pardon invalid.
October 04, 2017, 04:17 PM
nhtagmember
I think what happened was that when they looked at the alternatives, and what pardons really were (more than I beg your pardon for accidentally bumping into someone), they discovered yet again they were wrong
not that I think Joe was the greatest lawman in Arizona, but he was actually working for the people and not the democrats that have infested the state
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October 04, 2017, 04:18 PM
BamaJeepster
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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan: I am curious what legal grounds these folks gave for requesting the judge to declare the pardon invalid.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams
October 04, 2017, 04:23 PM
mikeyspizza
Charges dismissed by the same judge that convicted him in the 1st place!
October 04, 2017, 04:26 PM
rusbro
I'd suggest the democrat men who were hoping for his conviction be treated the same as Sheriff Joe reportedly treated prisoners - put the in pink clothing, and chains - but they'd probably like that.
October 04, 2017, 04:27 PM
braillediver
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Three outside legal advocacy groups had also requested that the pardon be declared invalid or unconstitutional
That's funny. With all the shit we put up with that's not in the Constitution- The Presidential Pardon is!
quote:
The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart.
October 04, 2017, 04:40 PM
Fenris
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Originally posted by braillediver:
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The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1
Sounds like a plenary power to me.
Edit to add:
Not that it is fully authoritative, but the following is from Wikipedia's explanation of "Plenary Powers":
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A plenary power or plenary authority is a complete and absolute power to take action on a particular issue, with no limitations. For example, the granting of federal pardons in the United States is one of the plenary powers of the President.[1][2] It is derived from the Latin term plenus ("full").
God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump.
October 04, 2017, 05:26 PM
JALLEN
The verdict of conviction would not usually have been entered as a judgment until sentencing. The rulings are interlocutory, not final.
With the pardon, and no judgment of conviction, it’s like it never happened, I believe.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
October 05, 2017, 06:54 AM
joel9507
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Originally posted by braillediver:
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The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1
Thread drift: Interesting. Given that last bit, I'm now wondering how Ford managed to pardon Nixon.
RE: the Dems objecting to Arapio's pardon without legal standing or grounds, in order to pander to their base. There's nothing in their behavior that implies even passing acquaintance with the Constitution, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
October 05, 2017, 07:24 AM
ChicagoSigMan
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Originally posted by joel9507:
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Originally posted by braillediver:
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The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1
Thread drift: Interesting. Given that last bit, I'm now wondering how Ford managed to pardon Nixon.
RE: the Dems objecting to Arapio's pardon without legal standing or grounds, in order to pander to their base. There's nothing in their behavior that implies even passing acquaintance with the Constitution, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
Nixon wasn't pardoned in a case of impeachment. He resigned before impeachment proceedings could be brought. Ford pardoned him for any criminal acts he may have committed.
October 05, 2017, 07:26 AM
nhracecraft
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Originally posted by joel9507:
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Originally posted by braillediver:
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The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1
Thread drift: Interesting. Given that last bit, I'm now wondering how Ford managed to pardon Nixon.
Nixon resigned BEFORE 'Articles of Impeachment' could be brought before the House.
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October 05, 2017, 11:47 AM
sns3guppy
Pardoning arpaio was pandering. He's guilty.
It's the pardon that's unpardonable.
October 05, 2017, 11:49 AM
egregore
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A federal judge in Phoenix formally dismissed the criminal case against former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Wednesday, accepting President Donald Trump's pardon of the controversial lawman.
Is that some kind of formality, to seal the deal, in a manner of speaking? The president's pardon power is pretty much absolute.
October 05, 2017, 11:53 AM
Cliff
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Originally posted by sns3guppy: Pardoning arpaio was pandering. He's guilty.
It's the pardon that's unpardonable.
What was Arpaio guilty of?
"All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope."
--Sir Winston Churchill
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
--James Earl Jones
October 05, 2017, 11:56 AM
GWbiker
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Originally posted by Cliff:
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Originally posted by sns3guppy: Pardoning arpaio was pandering. He's guilty.
It's the pardon that's unpardonable.
What was Arpaio guilty of?
I believe he was guilty of doing his job.
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October 05, 2017, 11:57 AM
JALLEN
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Originally posted by egregore:
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A federal judge in Phoenix formally dismissed the criminal case against former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Wednesday, accepting President Donald Trump's pardon of the controversial lawman.
Is that some kind of formality, to seal the deal, in a manner of speaking? The president's pardon power is pretty much absolute.
Yes, but as in other contexts, the job isn’t over until the paperwork is done.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
October 05, 2017, 12:06 PM
Fenris
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Originally posted by GWbiker:
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Originally posted by Cliff:
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Originally posted by sns3guppy: Pardoning arpaio was pandering. He's guilty.
It's the pardon that's unpardonable.
What was Arpaio guilty of?
I believe he was guilty of doing his job.
Leftists believe that it is a crime to enforce laws that they don't like. Or pretty much do or say anything that they don't like.
God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump.
October 05, 2017, 12:23 PM
Cliff
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Originally posted by Fenris:
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Originally posted by GWbiker:
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Originally posted by Cliff:
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Originally posted by sns3guppy: Pardoning arpaio was pandering. He's guilty.
It's the pardon that's unpardonable.
What was Arpaio guilty of?
I believe he was guilty of doing his job.
Leftists believe that it is a crime to enforce laws that they don't like. Or pretty much do or say anything that they don't like.
My bad. Arpaio did no wrong as far as I'm concerned. Just wondered why sns3guppy said he's guilty, and pandering by the President. We need more Sheriff's to follow Arpaio's lead.
"All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope."
--Sir Winston Churchill
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
