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More attempts to whitewash the past and/or erase history.

https://www.mystatesman.com/ne...X8x43xXWQbogdF6tE4M/

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Renaming of seven streets worthy of immediate action, report states, but renaming Austin not a simple matter.

In discussion of possible changes, report also asks, ‘What’s next and where do we stop?’

Known as both the “father of Texas” and the namesake of the state’s capital, Stephen F. Austin carved out the early outlines of Texas among his many accomplishments.
He also opposed an attempt by Mexico to ban slavery in the province of Tejas and said if slaves were freed, they would turn into “vagabonds, a nuisance and a menace.”

For that reason, the city of Austin’s Equity Office suggested renaming the city in a report about existing Confederate monuments that was published this week.

Also on the list of locales to possibly be renamed: Pease Park, the Bouldin Creek neighborhood, Barton Springs and 10 streets named for William Barton, the “Daniel Boone of Texas,” who was a slave owner.

To be sure, the identified streets and parks are only suggested for reconsideration. And the city, Bouldin Creek, Pease Park and the Barton-related landmarks — a group that includes Barton Springs — were included in a lower-tier list of “assets for secondary review” in the report. Still, the report did identify several streets staff consider related to the Confederacy and worthy of more immediate action. Those streets are:

• Littlefield Street

• Tom Green Street

• Sneed Cove

• Reagan Hill Drive

• Dixie Drive

• Confederate Avenue

• Plantation Road

The city estimates that it would cost $5,956 to rename the seven streets.

While the cost of such changes might appear reasonable, opposition to similar renamings has tended to revolve around the inconvenience and expense faced by longtime homeowners and business owners who must deal with a new address. Complaints along those lines surfaced earlier this year when the Austin City Council changed the names of two streets recognizing Confederate leaders.

Before the council renamed Robert E. Lee Road as Azie Morton Road and Jeff Davis Avenue was changed to William Holland Avenue, the city gathered input from residents along those streets. A majority opposed the changes, which occurred in April.

Some accused the city of whitewashing history.

The latest report acknowledged the likelihood of opposing viewpoints and nodded to inconveniences to businesses and residents and the view that changing the names could be considered a threat to historical preservation. It also asked whether the proposed changes reside on a slippery slope.

“What’s next and where do we stop?” the report asks.

Any changes to road names would require public hearings and action from the City Council. Before the city changed the two street names in April, the city’s staff had reached out to all residents to seek their input.

A change to the city’s name, meanwhile, likely would require an election since “Austin” would have to be struck from the city charter and replaced.

The report also identified numerous historical markers related to the Confederacy on city property that could be targeted for removal. Those include a marker for the Confederate States of America that’s located at Congress Avenue and Cesar Chavez Street.

However, the city would need approval from the Texas Historical Commission and the Travis County Historical Commission to move them.

Any new street names might fall in line with a 2017 recommendation from the Austin Commission for Women that called for the city to address gender and racial disparities in the naming of public symbols. The commission also suggested preference should be given to individuals connected to Austin and having a “positive relationship and history with the community.

The Equity Office’s report concludes, “It is essential to acknowledge that societal values are fluid, and they can be and are different today compared to when our city made decisions to name and/or place these Confederate symbols in our community.

“It is also important to acknowledge that nearly all monuments to the Confederacy and its leaders were erected without a true democratic process. People of color often had no voice and no opportunity to raise concerns about the city’s decision to honor Confederate leaders.”




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The Democrats were in charge in the south during the Civil War, and the ensuing civil unrest in regards to African Americans. Democrats were the KKK. Democrats were the ones fighting tooth and nail to preserve southern heritage.

I see the whitewashing of history as DEMOCRATS trying to change said history in an effort to try and wipe the stain from the party.




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The government is way behind sports here.

Take the Holiday Bowl, for example.

It is played at Qualcomm Stadium. Halftime is brought to us by Sycuan Indian Gaming, or Viejas Casinos, one of them. The stadium is ringed with commercial signage of everything imaginable.

It won’t be long before the stadium in Austin becomes the Dell Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium, Bevo, the mascot brought to you for the time being by Outback, or slightly worse, Sizzler, the Motorola Longhorn Band, playing direct from the Joe Jamail Athletic Center, just across the street from the Dell Webb Retirement Villages Alumni Center, which as everyone knows is conveniently located a short walk from the Red McCombs Ford BEB.

San Diego got $20 million just for the naming rights to one lousy stadium, a stadium so lousy that the NFL has all but said that there would be no more Superbowls in San Diego until there is a new stadium and the multi-billionaire who owns the Chargers is demanding a $400 million slopping at the public trough or Adios. It was Adios!

There are 254 counties in Texas... just think of the possibilities! The county name is on all public and most private documents, signs everywhere, in the news, all the Notaries, title records, a PR bonanza. Why should William Barratt Travis reap all that name recognition? He's dead now, anyway, and at least according to one recent History channel presentation on the Alamo, was a bit of a dufuss, not particularly the sort welcomed in polite society. Actually, it turns out that instead of being liberated by heroes, Texas was wrested from the Republic of Mexico by a coarse band of thieves, outlaws, adventurers, cut-throats, swindlers, speculators and alcoholics, nere-do-wells all.

So instead of all those obscure names of long dead 'heroes' for counties, sell the name rights! It could be Time-Warner County instead of Hays, Der Weinerschnitzel County instead of Comal (Think of the PR bonanza of the Wurstfest then!!!) The county seat of Dell County would be Georgetown, which might get smart and rename itself Michaeltown, for a slight fee, of course. Harris might become Big Mac County, just north of Joe's Crab Shack County (formerly known as Galveston). Who might bid for naming rights for Dallas County? Texas Instruments? Martha Stewart? Berkshire Hathaway! What would Taco Bell pay for Laredo, or would they go for El Paso? Apple County? Do I hear any bids? One to a customer, first come, first served! I wonder where Walmart would like to bid?

Some might say this is impractical, but there is a town in Montana that renamed itself "Joe", probably for free! The state and locals could raise billions!

Moonbean should be interested in the idea, just between you and me, to help with California's budget woes but alas, California has only 54 counties, small potatoes, a lamentable oversight on the part of their ancestors. Even at a hundred mill each, that would hardly even cover the deficit at DMV alone. And Orange County is Disney Land for all practical purposes already. Six Flags could buy Orange County naming rights and drive Disney nuts!

Somebody should pick up this ball and run with it!




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I need to invest in a company making signs. Most people have no idea as to the cost of signage. In 2005 the Hard Rock Casino was completed. It shatters the world's record," said Todd Ducote, shop foreman and designer at Kojis and Sons Sign Inc., which built the $1.9 million guitar.

At 112 feet tall, it rises as high as an 11-story building. When it was erected in front of the $235 million casino resort built in Biloxi, it was the largest guitar sign at any Hard Rock Cafe.
It was durable and survived Hurricane Katrina with some damage. Street signs are less but not cheap by any means.
 
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It is played at Qualcomm Stadium. Halftime is brought to us by Sycuan Indian Gaming, or Viejas Casinos, one of them. The stadium is ringed with commercial signage of everything imaginable.


JALLEN, you forgot the games are held on Jack Murphey field (the name of the complex when it was change from San Diego Stadium)

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San Diego got $20 million just for the naming rights to one lousy stadium, a stadium so lousy that the NFL has all but said that there would be no more Superbowls in San Diego until there is a new stadium and the multi-billionaire who owns the Chargers is demanding a $400 million slopping at the public trough or Adios. It was Adios!


The story is Spanos put in more money into the new Las Angeles stadium as San Diego was asking him and received a less percentage of the tale.






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Personally, if these a-holes want to REALLY be sensitive, then everything must be named by number or single letters. I have serious doubts that you can name anything after a person where you can’t find someone with that name that owned slaves and that includes names like Shaka Zulu.


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It is played at Qualcomm Stadium. Halftime is brought to us by Sycuan Indian Gaming, or Viejas Casinos, one of them. The stadium is ringed with commercial signage of everything imaginable.


JALLEN, you forgot the games are held on Jack Murphey field (the name of the complex when it was change from San Diego Stadium)

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San Diego got $20 million just for the naming rights to one lousy stadium, a stadium so lousy that the NFL has all but said that there would be no more Superbowls in San Diego until there is a new stadium and the multi-billionaire who owns the Chargers is demanding a $400 million slopping at the public trough or Adios. It was Adios!


The story is Spanos put in more money into the new Las Angeles stadium as San Diego was asking him and received a less percentage of the tale.


I didn't forget. The City banked $20 million to rename the Murph Qualcomm Stadium.

The Spanos played more games in the city than the Chargers and Padres out together.

Go, Chargers, go! And take the Padres with ya!




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I’ve been going to Austin (well Dripping Springs actually) 1-2 times a year for the past 18 years. Wife’s sister lives there. If it wasn’t for the fact that I love her family so much, I’d never go back.

My first visit to Austin was in 2000 for a bball game. Didn’t notice much craziness then, but now it’s ridiculous. God forbid you want a coffee at any coffee shop. We like to find those hole in the wall places for a beer or six in the old parts of town. Now not so much.

Salt lick as some damn good slaw and beans though.
 
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Why do communists love renaming cities after they take over?

St Petersburg -> Petrograd-> Leningrad
Peking -> Beijing
Saigon -> Ho Chi Min City
Austin -> Butthurt, USA



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Head in hands....


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Any changes to road names would require public hearings and action from the City Council. Before the city changed the two street names in April, the city’s staff had reached out to all residents to seek their input.

A change to the city’s name, meanwhile, likely would require an election since “Austin” would have to be struck from the city charter and replaced.

Yeah, I think I'll wait and see exactly how thick the snowflakes prove to be on the ground before I'll start wringing my hands.
 
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Excuse me, Mr. Allen but when I escaped from my birth state in 1979, California had 58 Counties!

As screwed up as they are, I don't think they've lost or misplaced four! Razz

Just yanking your chain, which you so seldom give the opportunity to do! Big Grin
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My personal take on the issue (supported by being a 37-year Texan by adoption) is that no renaming should be permitted--once a name has been applied it should stay forever. Changes in public mores can be satisfied by the naming of new streets, buildings, towns, etc. Existing monuments, statues, etc. should be left alone, too.

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Maybe we could sell Austin to California? Eek
 
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I say they need to get busy in West Virginia, isn't Robert "KKK Exalted Cyclops" Bryd's name all over the place on state roads and buildings.




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Austin Streets have been renamed.

Decades ago, when I was a student at UT, I was a patron of the 19th Street Liquor Store. I was surprised to return some years later to find 19th Street renamed Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Boulevard. I should have looked for the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Liquor Store, I guess.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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The Democrats were in charge in the south during the Civil War, and the ensuing civil unrest in regards to African Americans. Democrats were the KKK. Democrats were the ones fighting tooth and nail to preserve southern heritage.

I see the whitewashing of history as DEMOCRATS trying to change said history in an effort to try and wipe the stain from the party.


I've brought these facts up in various debates with people I work with who vote Democrat. Some deny it, don't believe it, and won't verify. Others say, "Well, the Republican and Democrat platforms flipped in the 20th Century so now you're the ones who are for slavery, etc.".

Unfortunately, I don't have the intelligence or patience to combat such willful ignorance. I wish I had both but it's such a consuming effort in time, effort, and emotional restraint to even try, so I stopped doing so. And I've also stopped engaging or responding to their politics unless something is easily proven stupid/false with a quick soundbite - which is all they seem to have the capacity, or willingness, to understand




 
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Maybe we could sell Austin to California? Eek


Truly a great idea but unfortunately California can't afford it. Big Grin


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How about San Francisco on the Colorado?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Maybe we could sell Austin to California? Eek


Might as well include Dallas, Houston and San Antonio.
 
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