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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Nope.

Not doing it.

Registration leads inevitably to confiscation or at the very least, an expectation of cooperation.

It protects me from being called as a witness on the location and operation of the camera.

If it might, as a lesser consequence, lead only to an expectation of cooperation, then it doesn't "inevitably" lead to confiscation, does it?

And if there is a crime, they will walk around and take note of the cameras in the area and you'll end up being asked to cooperate, and possibly subpoenaed anyway. Not registering the camera won't avoid the "problems" you fear.

I see no problem with the request, or the registering. But if you don't want to cooperate, at least be logical about the reasons. Just come out and say, "fuck those jackbooted government thugs."

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

This is a good idea and could help solve crimes, why wouldn't you want to help your local police department?

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Nope.

Not doing it.

Registration leads inevitably to confiscation or at the very least, an expectation of cooperation.

Confiscation of door bells? This is a thing?

I choose not to have a door bell camera or other cameras in my house, connected to the internet, as it means others might join me in surveilling what they ought not.

Even the camera on my ipad and laptop are covered. I'm not putting cameras around or in the house, online.

If there's a problem outside and I see it, I'll certainly relay what I've witnessed. If it comes into my house, I'll be happy to explain my legally justified shooting, under the watch of competent counsel. If it stays out there I'll be happy to call the locals to come handle it, but I'm probably not going out there to video the episode. I'm sure somewhere near by there's a millennial taking a selfie with the scene in the background, and he's itching to put it on youtube. Good citizen. I'm staying inside, where it's cool.

As a NJ resident, I have no issue with asking but I have no intentions of doing it. I really don't see the need and am not a fan of any kind of registration (it happens often enough as it is). As another poster mentioned, if LE is investigating something in the area and they see cameras they'll come calling.

A petty theft occurred in my neighbors driveway last summer. Somebody went into his unlocked cars overnight and swiped any change and valuables they could find. Local PD was called and noticing that my entire home is covered at every angle by multiple cameras, they knocked on my door. The Officer asked about the cameras and if I would mind reviewing my footage from last night while he waited in the squad car. I said of course, checked my footage but unfortunately came up empty. If I saw something I would have just DL'd it for him and sent it in an email. I just don't see how registration would have helped anything.

In the tristate area we get NYC based local news. All they report about are fires and crimes, sprinkled in with a little Trump bashing to appease the local populace. Anyway, every crime story includes police released security cam footage of the perps running to and from the scene as captured by one security camera after another. They often have the actual crime on video as well. No registration needed there either.

No way in hell would I do that.

If there has been a crime in your neighborhood, you would probably know about it and could offer it up if you wanted to.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
I would say no because it's NJ.

I agree....

why can't they if a crime has happened just look around and if they see a camera then ask you to view the tape.... me thinks somewhere in there is the potential for them to just show up out of the blue with a warrant.

Nope, waste of time.

Do you have to check out with the police when you sell the home so their database is kept up to date?

I'm inherently skeptical of anything about NJ gov't. agencies, and I grew up there. But I have had pretty good experiences with NJ cops and once or twice when they really could have made my life miserable if they had wanted to.

There is a lot of property crime in Phoenix, even in the good neighborhoods and security and doorbell cameras help the cops catch a lot of perps. So I don't think this is a bad thing. It can be abused, but they can get your footage if they really want it anyway.

I have a Ring doorbell on my house

if the cops want the footage they can call Ring and get it

the cops can't handle catching people following UPS tricks stealing shit off doorsteps and they expect me to believe they're competent enough to solve another 'kind' of crime?

yeah, thats laughable right there

I don't have a problem with them asking. However, I would decline the opportunity.

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he cops can't handle catching people following UPS trucks stealing shit off doorsteps and they expect me to believe they're competent enough to solve another 'kind' of crime?

yeah, thats laughable right there

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Neighbor had bikes stolen. I provided him the footage. He tracked said person to apartment complex and took his picture with cellphone. Cops not interested.

I'm fine with it. The only remote concern would be retaliation should my video be used as evidence against someone. Obviously someone would know where the video came from.

By the way, everyone driving on our road gets 4K video taken of them, and it's stored on an SSD for 2 weeks, then gets overwritten.

I'm looking into an LPR system, just because I can

Oh, LPR = License Plate Reader.

If the PD is investigating a crime, see you have cameras, and you refuse to give them the video they're looking for, they can always get a warrant for it.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
As long as I am not REQUIRED to turn over the recordings (it says law enforcement may ask for it if a crime occurs, nothing about handing over the imagery on a voluntary basis).

For example, the overzealous state has decided AR-15s are illegal. The local po-po feels your neighbor may have one and is now demanding you hand over all recording so they can determine if your neighbor is exerting his/her 2A rights.

It's not the PD.

It's Jussie Smollett.

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Originally posted by PASig:
You seriously need to loosen up that tinfoil hat.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

If it might, as a lesser consequence, lead only to an expectation of cooperation, then it doesn't "inevitably" lead to confiscation, does it?

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

Confiscation of door bells? This is a thing?

But it is not that far from "why not register firearms".

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Originally posted by BBMW:
If the PD is investigating a crime, see you have cameras, and you refuse to give them the video they're looking for, they can always get a warrant for it.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
As long as I am not REQUIRED to turn over the recordings (it says law enforcement may ask for it if a crime occurs, nothing about handing over the imagery on a voluntary basis).

For example, the overzealous state has decided AR-15s are illegal. The local po-po feels your neighbor may have one and is now demanding you hand over all recording so they can determine if your neighbor is exerting his/her 2A rights.

yep

I would expect NJ to handle it thusly:

Make a law that exterior cameras need a permit.
Make a provision of the permit authority for the police to have at will access to your recordings.
Charge you for the permit.
Fine people for not getting a permit.

East-Coast big government solutions.

They will get around to it.

Bruce

To RNshooter.

Thank God no Democrat politicians come to this forum, you just gave a great new idea for public safety and a new revenue source.

I bet this will happen very soon.

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Originally posted by RNshooter:
I would expect NJ to handle it thusly:

Make a law that exterior cameras need a permit.
Make a provision of the permit authority for the police to have at will access to your recordings.
Charge you for the permit.
Fine people for not getting a permit.

East-Coast big government solutions.

They will get around to it.

Bruce

And don't forget, then they'll want access to the live data.

But yeah. Remember decades back lot of local PD's were encouraging people to install home security systems. Now look at how common it is to have to have a 'permit' to have one active.