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Originally posted by Beancooker:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I just find this humorous.

When I grew up, if a vehicle made it to a 100k, it was a miracle, seriously, a God given miracle.

My wife still gets rid of vehicles around 30k or less. At 50k she’s stressed.

If a vehicle makes it 100k, isn’t that life expectancy? What are we wanting? 200k?

I’m not trying to be an ass, but I don’t expect 100kout if anything.

Times have changed.

So should I expect 150k out of my Toyota Tacoma?

No, you should expect at least 400K out of your Tacoma. I just sold my 1998 with 368K miles on the odometer. It still runs like a champ with original engine and transmission.

Sold my ‘01 Tacoma last year with 196k on it. Still ran like the day I bought it (new). Dealer wanted to give me 2500 on trade in. Sold it privately through the classifieds and got 6700.

Manual trans, 4WD, king cab, v6. Great little truck.

Driving now - ‘95 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel, 2WD, manual trans, 8’ bed, king cab. Also a great truck. Studying the history of these trucks, 500k is not unheard of. Mine has 178k.

I agree that Honda dependability isn't what it used to be. My mother HAD a V6 Accord that needed major work including piston rings replaced at around 60k miles. Her car didn't have the eco cylinder deactivation nonsense.

My father has CRV that has around 20k and the engine sounds awful. He only uses it for short trips which isn't ideal but he does maintain it.

The wife has a 2017 CR-V and it has been rock solid. She gets 33 miles to the gallon with that thing. She loves it.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I just find this humorous.

When I grew up, if a vehicle made it to a 100k, it was a miracle, seriously, a God given miracle.

My wife still gets rid of vehicles around 30k or less. At 50k she’s stressed.

If a vehicle makes it 100k, isn’t that life expectancy? What are we wanting? 200k?

I’m not trying to be an ass, but I don’t expect 100kout if anything.

Times have changed.

So should I expect 150k out of my Toyota Tacoma?

Easily. Double that if you maintain it.

this,

my Tundra is at 205K, wife had a Camry that was at 140K when we sold it to her sister, and it is now well over 200K,

the honda CR-V she replaced the Camry with had 201K when we sold it,


friend is well over 100K on his tundra, and had a small toyota pickup he sold to his mechanic at 400K

none had any major maintenance done to them, just the usual needed stuff (Tires, timing chain, etc)

none had the block or trans opened up at any time
my current Civic is only at 55K but will likely go 300

We had a highlander that had 170000. Got close to $8000 on trade.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I just find this humorous.

When I grew up, if a vehicle made it to a 100k, it was a miracle, seriously, a God given miracle.

My wife still gets rid of vehicles around 30k or less. At 50k she’s stressed.

If a vehicle makes it 100k, isn’t that life expectancy? What are we wanting? 200k?

I’m not trying to be an ass, but I don’t expect 100kout if anything.

When and where the hell did you grow up exactly where cars struggled to make it to 100k miles? My first Honda I drove the living shit out of it until 240K miles (before I sold it, who knows how much longer it went). My dad drove his previous Silverado truck for 500K miles. He bought it back from the insurance company after a semi truck side swiped him at 400K because he wanted to make it to half a million. If you are buying vehicles that can't make it or you don't expect them to make it to 100K miles you are doing it wrong.

I remember those days. In the 70s and early 80s, American made cars that made it to 100k were rare. I think a lot of it had to do with years not miles. It took us 20 years to get to 100k on a car. People didn’t commute as far, drive as much, or go on trips as much. Everyone pretty much stayed in the town. Drove kids to school, grocery store and church and that was it.

I think K cars were even marketed as throw away cars.

To echo another poster, I recall growing up in the 80’s and hearing about how cars that made it to 100,000 miles were a real oddity and something that was a special milestone.

Now if you ask me, 100K is just getting broken in. My Honda Civic is at 208,000 and still running strong!

I’m not even thinking about replacing it until 250,000 or more at this point.

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When and where the hell did you grow up exactly where cars struggled to make it to 100k miles? My first Honda I drove the living shit out of it until 240K miles (before I sold it, who knows how much longer it went). My dad drove his previous Silverado truck for 500K miles. He bought it back from the insurance company after a semi truck side swiped him at 400K because he wanted to make it to half a million. If you are buying vehicles that can't make it or you don't expect them to make it to 100K miles you are doing it wrong.

Do a little research dude. Cars in the 50s and 60s were shot by 60,000 miles. Look it up.

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Originally posted by PASig:
To echo another poster, I recall growing up in the 80’s and hearing about how cars that made it to 100,000 miles were a real oddity and something that was a special milestone.

Now if you ask me, 100K is just getting broken in. My Honda Civic is at 208,000 and still running strong!

I’m not even thinking about replacing it until 250,000 or more at this point.

ditto,

started driving in 1980,
most American made stuff was considered worn out and in bad shape at 75K,
anything over 50K was suspect,

my first Toyota (a 79 Celica GT coupe) was at about 170K when I totaled it, and going strong, (only replaced the water pump, in over 100K, it had 65K when I bought it),

meanwhile folks I knew with Chevy, Ford or Dodge products were fixing stuff regularly,


only exception was UK or Euro cars, some of those had issues constantly (looking at you triumph)

245k miles on the last Honda, 225k miles on the last Acura. Traded in with no problems. I maintain my stuff better than the manual calls for though.7500 mile synthetic oil changes, transmission fluid every 30k miles.

One thing I'm interested and concerned with in all modern cars is the electronics. I have a 2003 Acura RSX with 119K on it that has been bulletproof MECHANICALLY, but all my problems have been electrical - faulty O2 sensor, malfunctioning seat buckle tensioner sensor, faulty electric window motor, faulty electric door lock, and a blown AC relay that caused the AC to be on all the time even if the ignition was turned off, thus draining the battery immediately. My cousin has a 2011 Honda Fit that has its fair share of electrical problems.

I just wonder how reliable all these modern cars' electronics are. My car isn't even that high tech compared to current vehicles that are all computerized. But, I go to a bunch of vintage car shows where everyone displays their shiny refurbished '57 Chevys and '68 Mustangs et al. Will current cars be able to be displayed 50 years from now with completely working electronics? I mean, many people consider cars to be disposable tools, but some don't!

Our 2012 Honda Odyssey has about 215,000 miles. It had a recall in which the rings in the rear cylinders were replaced. The only other things that went bad were the alternator, a leaking valve cover gasket, and a broken sliding door cable. I am thinking of replacing the fuel pump and starter because they are original and I don’t want my wife getting stranded somewhere.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I just find this humorous.

When I grew up, if a vehicle made it to a 100k, it was a miracle, seriously, a God given miracle.

My wife still gets rid of vehicles around 30k or less. At 50k she’s stressed.

If a vehicle makes it 100k, isn’t that life expectancy? What are we wanting? 200k?

I’m not trying to be an ass, but I don’t expect 100kout if anything.

When and where the hell did you grow up exactly where cars struggled to make it to 100k miles? My first Honda I drove the living shit out of it until 240K miles (before I sold it, who knows how much longer it went). My dad drove his previous Silverado truck for 500K miles. He bought it back from the insurance company after a semi truck side swiped him at 400K because he wanted to make it to half a million. If you are buying vehicles that can't make it or you don't expect them to make it to 100K miles you are doing it wrong.

Kids these days...

It was bad enough in the 70's and 80's, but if you grew up in the 50's and 60's, trust me, 100K was a bonafide, get you on the evening news miracle! Depending on where you lived, it was a tossup as to whether the drive train would wear out or the body would rust out first.

IMHO, the major change that impacts vehicle longevity these days is fuel injection and computer controls. Lots of other things figure in like metallurgy, improved lubricants, improved machining, etc. but getting rid of carburetors was HUGE.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I just find this humorous.

When I grew up, if a vehicle made it to a 100k, it was a miracle, seriously, a God given miracle.

My wife still gets rid of vehicles around 30k or less. At 50k she’s stressed.

If a vehicle makes it 100k, isn’t that life expectancy? What are we wanting? 200k?

I’m not trying to be an ass, but I don’t expect 100kout if anything.

Times have changed.

So should I expect 150k out of my Toyota Tacoma?

Yes. I have 185,000 on mine and finally had a problem; my power locks stopped working. Everything else is as tight as the day I drove it off the lot in 2007.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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When and where the hell did you grow up exactly where cars struggled to make it to 100k miles? My first Honda I drove the living shit out of it until 240K miles (before I sold it, who knows how much longer it went). My dad drove his previous Silverado truck for 500K miles. He bought it back from the insurance company after a semi truck side swiped him at 400K because he wanted to make it to half a million. If you are buying vehicles that can't make it or you don't expect them to make it to 100K miles you are doing it wrong.

Do a little research dude. Cars in the 50s and 60s were shot by 60,000 miles. Look it up.

Older cars were not "shot" by 60K miles. Not if you kept care of them. Dude...

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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When and where the hell did you grow up exactly where cars struggled to make it to 100k miles? My first Honda I drove the living shit out of it until 240K miles (before I sold it, who knows how much longer it went). My dad drove his previous Silverado truck for 500K miles. He bought it back from the insurance company after a semi truck side swiped him at 400K because he wanted to make it to half a million. If you are buying vehicles that can't make it or you don't expect them to make it to 100K miles you are doing it wrong.

Do a little research dude. Cars in the 50s and 60s were shot by 60,000 miles. Look it up.

Older cars were not "shot" by 60K miles. Not if you kept care of them. Dude...

I’ve talked to several older people in the past that bought new vehicles back then. They all said the same thing: Those cars were falling apart after 50-60k miles. They loved today’s cars with their superior quality. They all said those old cars’ interiors would rattle like crazy, engines start burning oil, and some wouldn’t even keep straight going down the road.

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I’ve talked to several older people in the past that bought new vehicles back then. They all said the same thing: Those cars were falling apart after 50-60k miles. They loved today’s cars with their superior quality. They all said those old cars’ interiors would rattle like crazy, engines start burning oil, and some wouldn’t even keep straight going down the road.

Yep. The kid does not know what he is talking about, but he has a smug attitude. Lack of maintenance was not the issue. Maybe he should ask Don Draper who lived back in the day. LOL

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Kids these days...

It was bad enough in the 70's and 80's, but if you grew up in the 50's and 60's, trust me, 100K was a bonafide, get you on the evening news miracle! Depending on where you lived, it was a tossup as to whether the drive train would wear out or the body would rust out first.

IMHO, the major change that impacts vehicle longevity these days is fuel injection and computer controls. Lots of other things figure in like metallurgy, improved lubricants, improved machining, etc. but getting rid of carburetors was HUGE.

BUT, Don Draper knows better. LOL

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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I’ve talked to several older people in the past that bought new vehicles back then. They all said the same thing: Those cars were falling apart after 50-60k miles. They loved today’s cars with their superior quality. They all said those old cars’ interiors would rattle like crazy, engines start burning oil, and some wouldn’t even keep straight going down the road.

Yep. The kid does not know what he is talking about, but he has a smug attitude. Lack of maintenance was not the issue. Maybe he should ask Don Draper who lived back in the day. LOL

I saw an interview in the 1990’s with a man that was an executive with GM back in the 50’s. He stated that the big 3 wanted everyone buying a new car every 3-4 years and they could not care less about durability. It was build them cheap and fast and that was it.