Finally, a little bit of push back

A halal shop in Colombes faces closure after the landlord won a lawsuit against the tenant, which violated its lease by refusing to stock alcohol and pork.

The landlord, a public rent control organisation, or HLM office as they are known in France, is led by conservative Republican mayor of Colombes Nicole Goueta, who took the matter to court to get the halal grocer Good Price to either stock alcohol and pork or be evicted.

The HLM office has said that the shop owners have violated their lease which stipulated that they were using the commercial property for “a general trade of food”, L’Express reports.

“This is a case that may seem unique but is still quite simple,” said the lawyer for the HLM office François Meyer. “Colombes gave a lease to the company Good Price and, in the clauses of the lease, is inserted a mention for this business to be a general shop,” he added.

The lawyer for Good Price dismissed the claims against the shop saying that alcohol “is not part of the general diet. It is called compliment, so there are no obligations.”

On Monday afternoon, the court in Nanterre ruled in favour of the HLM office with the judge in the case saying the sale of halal products “is restrictive and does not fit the broad notion of general food”.

The court also ordered the shopkeepers to be evicted from the commercial space and said that the HLM office could use the police, if required, to make the shop owners leave. The shopkeepers have also been forced to pay €4,000 in legal costs.

In countries around Europe, halal slaughter practices have been heavily criticised by animal rights campaigners who view their methods as cruel. In the UK earlier this year, the government announced that CCTV cameras would be placed in abattoirs to prevent cruelty after a charity secretly filmed halal butchers engaging in cruelty in Yorkshire.

Islamic leaders were also up in arms in October after schools in Lancashire decided to ban halal meat from animals that had not been stunned before slaughter.


http://www.breitbart.com/londo...elling-pork-alcohol/

Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

It's France so......they are knuckleheaded enough to let wasps build a massive hive and then do stuff to piss them off.

I didn't realize that White AngloSaxon Protestants were the problem in France.

A small step. A very small step.

France's army is going to have to deal with this muslim crap.

RMD

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

That is not what the ruling says or does.

It ruled that there was a contract for a general grocery, the tenant grocer violated that contract, and as a result, would be evicted.

What you describe (and with which I agree) would be the case if the government said directly to the grocer "Sell alcohol and pork or else." When the government has that power, you get Obamacare.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

Reading the article, it appears that the courts are enforcing the terms of the lease. The merchant voluntarily agreed to those terms, but was not complying with them.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

Actually, that was in the lease. I can see a landlord negotiating that condition to ensure that the buisness is viable enough that the landlord can be sure of getting paid the rent.

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
A small step. A very small step.

France's army is going to have to deal with this muslim crap.

RMD

You mean throw in the white flag?

It seems to be a bit of both, lets not skip that the landlord appears to be the government, a public rent org or HLM and the suit brought by a government mayor. Hardly a civil suit between two commercial interests.

The lease used the term that the shop must be a "general shop" and used as a "general trade of food".

It doesn't say that the lease defines what is and isn't a "general shop" and what items are included under that definition.

By that I'd summarized that the government has established rules for the operation of a "general trade of food" which may be a rule or law in France, it really isn't clear.

I read it as the lease used a general term which is normal for leases of commercial property in France, and that term restricts merchants from engaging in commerce for food products that is restrictive in nature.

So no vegan stores or Kosher only stores would
be allowed under a lease using that term as defined by the government of France.

At least that's how I read it.

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Originally posted by HRK:
It seems to be a bit of both, lets not skip that the landlord appears to be the government, a public rent org or HLM and the suit brought by a government mayor. Hardly a civil suit between two commercial interests.

The lease used the term that the shop must be a "general shop" and used as a "general trade of food".

It doesn't say that the lease defines what is and isn't a "general shop" and what items are included under that definition.

By that I'd summarized that the government has established rules for the operation of a "general trade of food" which may be a rule or law in France, it really isn't clear.

I read it as the lease used a general term which is normal for leases of commercial property in France, and that term restricts merchants from engaging in commerce for food products that is restrictive in nature.

So no vegan stores or Kosher only stores would
be allowed under a lease using that term as defined by the government of France.

At least that's how I read it.

I think you're right, HRK. It seems to me that the problem arose when the Islamic tenant decided that he/they were "special" so the rule did not apply to them.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

That is not what the ruling says or does.

It ruled that there was a contract for a general grocery, the tenant grocer violated that contract, and as a result, would be evicted.

What you describe (and with which I agree) would be the case if the government said directly to the grocer "Sell alcohol and pork or else." When the government has that power, you get Obamacare.

Makes sense.

But be careful on Obamacare, we all know the goal of Obamacare is to take care of those who have not, by taking from those who have. Related, we all know that the pending tax cuts are evil, because they take less from the rich, which makes less available to the poor.

(I can't help it, I live in CA, that's what the recent faculty newsletter told me).

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
A small step. A very small step.

France's army is going to have to deal with this muslim crap.

RMD

You mean throw in the white flag?

Should I be ashamed of laughing?

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The lawyer for Good Price dismissed the claims against the shop saying that alcohol “is not part of the general diet.

Haha, it is in France. And I'm really not joking.

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Originally posted by SapperSteel:...I think you're right, HRK. It seems to me that the problem arose when the Islamic tenant decided that he/they were "special" so the rule did not apply to them.

I think the same problem exists in the US in that many immigrants, not just Muslims, feel they have the right to ignore the laws.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

I think the same problem exists in the US in that many immigrants, not just Muslims, feel they have the right to ignore the laws.

I'm going out on a limb here, but...Ya think?

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Originally posted by olfuzzy:
The lawyer for Good Price dismissed the claims against the shop saying that alcohol “is not part of the general diet. It is called compliment, so there are no obligations.”

What? This is France. Alcohol (wine) is a basic food group over there.

Can a brotha at least get a gay cake baked before they shut 'er down? No??

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not in favor of governments and courts deciding what merchants have to sell or what clients they have to serve...

Exactly.

Why would a lease specify what you can sell?
Are they saying that because it is a grocery store he has to sell those items?
If the lease so stipulates those items then he is wrong (and stupid for signing that lease).
If there is some connect-the-dots on grocery stores and what products they carry then I remain confused.