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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Court halts Biden vaccine, testing mandate for businesses -

SALT LAKE CITY — A federal appeals court temporarily halted the Biden administration's occupational safety rule that required businesses with over 100 employees to mandate the COVID-19 vaccine or regular testing.

In a ruling on Saturday, a three judge panel at the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals granted a stay ...

But that Stay applies only to the 5th Circuit's judicial districts, no?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

But that Stay applies only to the 5th Circuit's judicial districts, no?

Pretty sure it applies nation wide. No?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

But that Stay applies only to the 5th Circuit's judicial districts, no?

Pretty sure it applies nation wide. No?

Dunno. That's why I"m asking

Paging SF lawyers. Paging SF lawyers. SF lawyers to the white courtesy phone, please!

Sounds like it applies to everyone.

NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/...campaign=android_nyp

A federal appeals court has blocked the Biden administration’s latest COVID-19 vaccination mandate, giving the government until Monday afternoon to submit a response.

An emergency stay, issued Saturday from the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, prevents the White House from requiring all full and part-time workers at private-sector companies with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated or get tested weekly.

Recent conversation in passing with some folks that are academically and technically intelligent and proficient. And who seem to be monitoring news in India, Israel and domestically.

They still believe that the shots are high efficacy, masks are effective, social distancing is effective, shots at least help with prevention of the worst cases. The shots are nothing to worry about and are helpful.

These are folks that are above average in intelligence. I didn't get into their data sources. They hear stuff to the contrary here and there but in general their opinion is a little bit of help is better than nothing (in referencing masks, distancing, shots).

In spite of this, they have no answer to vaccinated people getting ill (variants only), why they need 2 booster shots now, why Israel is still in deep poo, why Sweden is okay, etc.

I'm so sick to death of these type of people who blindly follow the narrative. If only there was more transparency on adverse effects.

Usually, when these people talk about the shot, I just let it go. But I drew the line when the were complaining and wondering why people don't get the shot. Ruined my mood but couldn't just walk away silently.

A ruling from the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit only applies to the Fifth Circuit. It's possible to have conflicting rulings between Circuits.
However, this is a big step in the right direction.

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A federal appeals court has blocked the Biden administration’s latest COVID-19 vaccination mandate, giving the government until Monday afternoon to submit a response.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Is a detziled response needed? My dealings with the legal system is that everything takes forever.

Fifth Circuit is based in NOLA and covers MS, LA and a few other states.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
A ruling from the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit only applies to the Fifth Circuit.

That is how I understood it to be from discussions, here on SF, of other Circuit Court rulings on other matters.

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I'm so sick to death of these type of people who blindly follow the narrative. If only there was more transparency on adverse effects.

Usually, when these people talk about the shot, I just let it go. But I drew the line when the were complaining and wondering why people don't get the shot.

Same here, konata.
So many people are ill informed.
The adverse effects are very real, filling up hospitals, but manifest differently in people.
Most of them are probably caused in one way or another by blood clotting but there is also evidence of a general weakening of the immune system.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Sounds like it applies to everyone.

NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/...campaign=android_nyp

A federal appeals court has blocked the Biden administration’s latest COVID-19 vaccination mandate, giving the government until Monday afternoon to submit a response.

An emergency stay, issued Saturday from the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, prevents the White House from requiring all full and part-time workers at private-sector companies with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated or get tested weekly.

But can a company still require employees to get it even if ruled unconstitutional???
I’m thinking my woke CEO won’t budge if he has the option.

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Fifth Circuit is based in NOLA and covers MS, LA and a few other states.

How does this affect corporations? If the company has campuses in multiple states? Does this only apply to those campuses in the 5th circuit? What if HQ is in the 5th circuit - does it apply to all campuses including outside the 5th circuit?

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Originally posted by chellim1:
A ruling from the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit only applies to the Fifth Circuit. It's possible to have conflicting rulings between Circuits.
However, this is a big step in the right direction.

Yes, a BIG Step in the Right Direction, and NOT Unanticipated! I'm sure there will be more too, as suits will most certainly be filed in EVERY Circuit!

From the 5th Circuit STAY Order...

1 "This order addresses only the emergency motion filed by the above-captioned petitioners. Going forward, the Clerk of Court shall ensure that all related motions and petitions in this court be consolidated under this case number, and that all parties—including the Government—make all related filings in this case."

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Originally posted by konata88:
But I drew the line when the were complaining and wondering why people don't get the shot. Ruined my mood but couldn't just walk away silently.

I simply respond with something like "Because some of us are convinced of neither the efficacy nor the safety of the experimental ``vaccines,``" making certain they can hear the quotes, and leave it at that.

I don't let others' misguided beliefs or expectations ruin my day, either

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
But can a company still require employees to get it even if ruled unconstitutional???
I’m thinking my woke CEO won’t budge if he has the option.

Same with our CEO, who thinks he can lord over us lepers and act as clergy and physician to those in protest of this syringe full of fecal matter.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I simply respond with something like "Because some of us are convinced of neither the efficacy nor the safety of the experimental ``vaccines,``" making certain they can hear the quotes, and leave it at that.

I try to explain to these brain-dead zombies that should I encounter an adverse reaction that prevents me from obtaining and holding a Medical Certificate, I just threw away a $1M career for the time I have left in the cockpit. THEY can probably go back to work with the same affliction.

The typical reaction is blank stares and stupid looks...

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Originally posted by konata88:
These are folks that are above average in intelligence.

No they're not. They're probably exactly like a handful of people I know. What they likely are is well 'educated'. Unfortunately there is a huge difference between being well educated and possessing actual intelligence. These types make my life managing projects a nightmare. They're brilliant (according to them) and well versed in a multitude of topics, yet they know virtually nothing of value when the rubber meets the road.

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In spite of this, they have no answer to vaccinated people getting ill (variants only), why they need 2 booster shots now, why Israel is still in deep poo, why Sweden is okay, etc.

This comment proves my point. Intelligence means you're always learning and evolving in terms of your perspective on things. People like this build an opinion, usually based on consensus will similar people in their tiny bubble, and no matter how the variables change around them, they refuse to change their focus and evolve their opinion. Give me a high school educated person who's perpetually curious and always looking for the answer over a PhD egghead who's arrogance and sense of superiority clouds and controls everything they touch.

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
But can a company still require employees to get it even if ruled unconstitutional???
I’m thinking my woke CEO won’t budge if he has the option.

I believe the answer to your question is 'Yes.' It's unconstitutional for the executive branch to issue such a mandate because it doesn't have the authority to do so. I'm afraid a private company can make such mandates of it's employees. You don't have to keep working there.

sue your employer for physical endangerment

if enough people did that this bullshit would end quickly

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
But can a company still require employees to get it even if ruled unconstitutional???
I’m thinking my woke CEO won’t budge if he has the option.

I believe the answer to your question is 'Yes.' It's unconstitutional for the executive branch to issue such a mandate because it doesn't have the authority to do so. I'm afraid a private company can make such mandates of it's employees. You don't have to keep working there.

But if the courts determine the OSHA decree (i.e. mandate) is blatantly illegal (which I believe it is) that would remove any real reason or motivation for private businesses to chase this rabbit down the hole given there would be no government pressure or penalty on them to do so. Ya see any huge number of private businesses requiring vaccination over the past year prior to the Urine Soaked Relic and his cast of morons pushing this narrative?

We need to treat this mandate and administration like a Jenga game. Keep knocking out pieces and eventually the whole thing collapses. And with any luck, it will fall directly on Biden himself.

Circling the drain.
Seems like we are quickly approaching the time to flush.

NEWSMAX to require VACCINE CARDS for all employees

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