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I am naturally an introverted extrovert. And a bit of a germaphobe.

Quite antisocial, but capable of faking it spectacularly for short bursts.

I just worked 22 of the last 23 days/nights.

I'm planning to hermit for the next 7, except for a ham convention and getting the kiddos for the weekend.

Hopefully I don't catch Batflu. But I fully expect to, living where I do and doing what I do. Oh well.

But holy shit this is all getting annoying.




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The point of all these measures now, when coronavirus is NOT a huge problem in the US, it to try to keep it from BECOMING a huge problem - or, failing that, to slow it down enough for our healthcare system to keep up.

The more effective we are at containing and/or slowing the spread now, the better things will be later.

It is entirely possible that current measures will make what would otherwise have been a very bad situation not so bad - causing a lot of people who don't understand that to look back and say, "this wasn't so bad, we didn't really need to do all that stuff."

To make an analogy, it's like there's a big flood, and your house would have flooded, except you put out a bunch of sandbags. You don't say, "well, my house didn't flood, so I didn't really need those sandbags."

We don't actually have enough data yet to really know how bad coronavirus would get without doing what we can to slow it down. It might end up being fine even if we don't do anything (although that seems unlikely at this point). But we have enough data to know that there's enough of a chance that it could get very, very bad that we should act based on that possibility.

I guess the summary of all that is that on a surface level, the better we do now, the less necessary it will look later.
 
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It is entirely possible that current measures will make what would otherwise have been a very bad situation not so bad - causing a lot of people who don't understand that to look back and say, "this wasn't so bad, we didn't really need to do all that stuff."


Exactly—as we have seen time and again.
To cite just one example of many, Ebola hasn’t spread all over the world (yet) in part because it has been treated as the very serious disease that is. And that’s why people here in this country can make jokes about it while people in Africa lost thousands of loved ones and are still feeling its effects.




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And to reiterate, the real danger of coronavirus is not the likelihood of any one person dying from getting it.

The real danger is that based on current estimates of the rate of spread, it is within the realm of possibility that in six to eight weeks, there could be ten million active cases in the US, completely overwhelming our health care system.

The goal of all the steps being taken now is to try to make sure that doesn't happen.
 
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We are evaluating plans for the remainder of the tournament. More to come.

Bet each major conference follows suit into crazy land.

I'm wondering why you find this "crazy?" By all accounts SARS-CoV-2 is nearly twice as infectious, and Covid-19 3-1/2 times as deadly, as the seasonal flu.

So... what? Just let it run wild and let the bodies fall where they may?



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My mom is in an assisted living facility in central Iowa. They just enacted a policy today where nobody is allowed under 18, and anyone else except employees are not allowed unless it is critical, or the resident is on hospice, etc. Those that come in have to fill out a questionnaire and get their temperature taken.

However, all of the staff is from African countries. I don't know what restrictions they placed on them.
 
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I'll be tuned in at 9:00 Eastern time to hear the President give us the latest. I'm set to stay at home (mostly) for perhaps 10 days if needed, but given we're not islands unto ourselves my church (and no doubt other groups) are beginning to consider identifying healthy or stronger members to serve and look in on those who may be ill.
 
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First 15:00 covers a bunch, with Michael Osterholm Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

Also covers issues for deer hunters, pertaining to Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) and Lyme Disease
 
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And to reiterate, the real danger of coronavirus is not the likelihood of any one person dying from getting it.

The real danger is that based on current estimates of the rate of spread, it is within the realm of possibility that in six to eight weeks, there could be ten million active cases in the US, completely overwhelming our health care system.

The goal of all the steps being taken now is to try to make sure that doesn't happen.


Good advice above and it is the same narrative my brother in law ,who is a MD primary care in North Carolina gave to me.
 
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I wonder if successful implementation of the virtual classes will undermine b&m classes and lead to their demise (more quickly than was probably inevitable anyway). Shut down buildings. Save the carbon footprint. Decrease the number of maintenance and support personnel.


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The spreading panic is the real panDEMic here. And the people really being hurt by all this have no say in it.

Utah State University to cancel all events and travel as precaution to coronavirus -
https://www.fox13now.com/news/...ution-to-coronavirus


That is nothing a college here shut it down 100% what your grade is now is what you got, must move out by the weekend.

https://www.kentucky.com/news/...rticle241058621.html


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Here we go.

Wednesday, March 11, Gov. Inslee imposed restrictions on large gatherings in Pierce, King, and Snohomish counties through March 31 to limit spread of COVID-19.

Please cancel gatherings of 250 or more people for social, spiritual and recreational activities including, but not limited to:

• Community.
• Civic.
• Public.
• Leisure.
• Faith-based.
• Sporting events.
• Parades.
• Concerts.
• Festivals.
• Conventions.
• Fundraisers.
• Similar activities.

If you need planning support or resources, call 1 (855) 722-5378.

Visit Tacoma-Pierce County Health Department at tpchd.org/coronavirus for information

Coronavirus is a group of viruses that includes the common cold. If you’ve ever had a runny nose, cough or sore throat, you've likely had a form of coronavirus.
tpchd.org


Can’t wait for my first “There is a large gathering of people” 9-1-1 call. Won’t they be surprised when they are told there is nothing we can do about it and give them the number to the public health department.






What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???


 
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So with the National Guard being deployed to work the “containment zone” around New Rochelle NY, is anyone else curious or has anyone heard if the Guardsmen will be carrying weapons?

I am kind of surprised no one in the media has asked the question and can’t seem to find anything on google about it....






What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???


 
Posts: 11367 | Location: Western WA state for just a few more years... | Registered: February 17, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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So I understand - the Chinese discovered this virus was "in the wild" in late November, 2019.

In Mid December 2019 - tens of thousand of Chinese college students in America returned home to China.

In January - millions of Chinese traveled to Las Vegas, a huge destination point during the Chinese New year.

In mid-January 2020 - those same tens of thousands of Chinese students returned to the US to resume college.

So this virus has been here in the US since mid-January?

I don't have a science degree or predictive model to illustrate the logic above - but shouldn't the spread here in the US be much further ahead than where we are being told it is after being here in the US for the past 8-weeks?
 
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So I understand - the Chinese discovered this virus was "in the wild" in late November, 2019.

In Mid December 2019 - tens of thousand of Chinese college students in America returned home to China.

In January - millions of Chinese traveled to Las Vegas, a huge destination point during the Chinese New year.

In mid-January 2020 - those same tens of thousands of Chinese students returned to the US to resume college.

So this virus has been here in the US since mid-January?

I don't have a science degree or predictive model to illustrate the logic above - but shouldn't the spread here in the US be much further ahead than where we are being told it is after being here in the US for the past 8-weeks?


Got a link for that? I don't think there is even millions of hotel rooms in Las Vagas...



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So with the National Guard being deployed to work the “containment zone” around New Rochelle NY, is anyone else curious or has anyone heard if the Guardsmen will be carrying weapons?

I am kind of surprised no one in the media has asked the question and can’t seem to find anything on google about it....


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Containment zone??

The cot damn zombies is percolatin' already!
 
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Some may have weapons, but they may not be loaded. I have no inside knowledge, have just seen a variety of things afer natural disasters. I think it depends on the situation. My understanding is the Guard will doing cleanup.
 
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