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Joe Biden: We’re Considering COVID Booster Shots in ‘as Little as 5 Months’ After Vaccination

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...s-after-vaccination/

President Joe Biden revealed Friday that federal health officials are now considering guidelines for coronavirus booster shots just five months after individuals receive their complete immunizations.

“We’re considering the advice you’ve given that we should start earlier,” Biden stated as he met with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett in the Oval Office. “Should it be as little as five months and that’s being discussed.”

Biden’s remarks follow a report which stated regulators were likely to approve a booster shot for vaccinated adults beginning at the six-month gap following the previous shot instead of eight months.

Per the Wall Street Journal:

Data from vaccine manufacturers and other countries under review by the Food and Drug Administration is based on boosters being given at six months, the person said. The person said approval for boosters for all three Covid-19 shots being administered in the U.S.—those manufactured by Pfizer Inc. and partner BioNTech SE, Moderna Inc. and Johnson & Johnson —is expected in mid-September.

Last week, the FDA fully approving Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, making it the first jab to receive the agency’s full approval outside of emergency use authorization.

“The FDA’s approval of this vaccine is a milestone as we continue to battle the COVID-19 pandemic. While this and other vaccines have met the FDA’s rigorous, scientific standards for emergency use authorization, as the first FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine, the public can be very confident that this vaccine meets the high standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality the FDA requires of an approved product,” Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock said at the time.

“While millions of people have already safely received COVID-19 vaccines, we recognize that for some, the FDA approval of a vaccine may now instill additional confidence to get vaccinated. Today’s milestone puts us one step closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the U.S,” he added

More than 200 million Pfizer doses have been administered in the U.S. under emergency provisions — and hundreds of millions more worldwide — since December. In going a step further and granting full approval, the Food and Drug Administration cited months of real-world evidence that serious side effects are extremely rare.


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Last week, the FDA fully approving Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, making it the first jab to receive the agency’s full approval outside of emergency use authorization.

Did the FDA Pull a Bait-and-Switch on the American People?
By Steve McCann

See also: The FDA did NOT grant full approval to the Pfizer shots

On August 23rd all the mainstream or agitprop media outlets were trumpeting the news that the FDA had granted permanent approval for the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. The press breathlessly reported that vaccine mandates were now legal for healthcare workers, employees in private industry, college students, and government employees at all levels including teachers and school staff.

Almost immediately Joe Biden shuffled his way to the podium and read off his teleprompter that all businesses should immediately institute vaccine mandates. The Pentagon announced that vaccinations would be mandatory for all active service members. Bill de Blasio immediately instituted a vaccine mandate for all New York City teachers and staff.

But what the agitprop media and the Biden White House failed to report is that there are two critical issues as to whether the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine (which is what has been and continues to be administered) can be mandated and whether Pfizer can be held liable for injuries, a provision that accompanies permanent approval of a vaccine or drug.

What the FDA approved and licensed is Pfizer’s Comirnaty Covid vaccine not the current Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine in use under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). The FDA has acknowledged that Pfizer has insufficient stocks of the newly licensed Comirnaty vaccine available but there is a significant amount of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine available under the EUA still on hand.

Further, the FDA decreed that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine should remain unlicensed and under the EUA but can be used interchangeably with the newly licensed Comirnaty vaccine. More importantly, the FDA states that the licensed Comirnaty vaccine and the existing Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are “legally distinct” but proclaims that their differences do not “impact safety or effectiveness.” [emphases added]

Per the Children’s Health Defense Fund:

There is a huge real-world difference between products approved under EUA compared with those the FDA has fully licensed.

EUA products are experimental under U.S. law. Both the Nuremburg Code and federal regulations provide that no one can force a human being to participate in this experiment. Under 21 U.S. Code Sec.360bbb-3(e)(1)(A), “authorization for medical products for use in emergencies,” it is unlawful to deny someone a job or an education because they refuse to be an experimental subject. Instead, potential recipients have an absolute right to refuse EUA vaccines.

U.S. laws, however, permit employers and schools to require students and workers to take licensed vaccines.

EUA-approved Covid vaccines have an extraordinary liability shield under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness Act. Vaccine manufacturers, distributors and government planners are immune from liability. The only way an injured party can sue is if he or she can prove willful misconduct, and if the U.S. government has also brought an enforcement action against the party for willful misconduct. No such lawsuit has ever succeeded.

At least for now, the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine has no such liability shield. A vial of the branded product that says “Comirnaty” on the label is subject to the same product liability laws as any other product. People injured by the vaccine could potentially sue for damages. Based on what has been reported over the past six months regarding Covid vaccine side effects, the potential jury awards could be astronomical.

Thus, it is highly unlikely that Pfizer will allow any Americans to take the Comirnaty labeled vaccine until it can coerce Congress or the Biden Administration to somehow arrange immunity for the product.

Meanwhile, Pfizer has been given the green light by the FDA to continue administering the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine under the EUA. And given the fact that they have a huge inventory on hand, they will continue to do so in any vaccine mandates.

The obvious and inevitable question is: did the FDA cynically pull a bait-and-switch on the American people by announcing permanent approval of a Pfizer Covid vaccine, which everyone would assume to be for the vaccine currently in universal use, in order to abet the Biden Administration in imposing illegal vaccine mandates?

Or, more cynically, did the FDA also conspire with Pfizer to allow them to unload their current massive inventory of a vaccine that science and the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) have exposed as unreasonably dangerous as physicians, families, and injured vaccine recipients have reported more than 600,000 vaccine injuries. And which has also been rendered obsolete by the Delta variant, requiring a “booster” shot that has yet to be tested or approved by the FDA.

Since the beginning of the Chinese Coronavirus pandemic, the entirety of the federal medical bureaucracy has been woefully inconsistent in their pronouncements, inevitably wrong in their prescribed actions, subservient to political pressure from Democrat party politicians, and far too cozy with pharmaceutical companies as they focused solely on vaccines and not therapeutics and prophylactics.

But on the surface, these dubious actions by the FDA go far beyond incompetence. The time has come for some genuine transparency and honesty from the FDA on how this Pfizer vaccine approval came about and why in such an inordinately short period of time for a new and experimental vaccine with no long-term trials. This agency’s credibility is at stake.

Meanwhile, Americans should decide for themselves about being vaccinated. But if someone is subject to a vaccine mandate, they should request to see if the vaccine they are about to receive is labeled the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine as that is the only one licensed. If any other, that person has the legal right to refuse.

https://www.americanthinker.co...american_people.html



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Barn, is this your "attempt to answer more questions?"
"Barn"? You're awfully familiar with someone you're being rude to.

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That's less than 30 minutes after his initial post in this thread.

The man is a longtime member of this forum and a physician who has taken the time to post his experiences with and observations of people suffering from the effects of this virus. I consider his comments to be of great value. Don't mistake what I'm saying- I don't agree with everything he's posted. I just know that a member with more than 15 years in this forum under his belt and who is speaking as a professional in a given field is worthy of being heard.

Here's a tip for every posting member of this forum- when you see me roll out the red carpet for a member, you should be nice to them, or you should just not say anything at all. If you have a concern about the nature and/or validity of their comments, use the report-this-post function to advise a staff member. This is not to say you can't challenge their comments, but you don't have to be rude when disagreeing with them or when asking them questions.

It's entirely your choice, of course, to accept or discount his opinions, or ignore him all together, but when you see me essentially encouraging a member to post, it's not right for that member to be subjected to sarcasm or insults from others here unless that member goes off the deep end. barndg00 been the soul of politeness in this thread. I'm recommending that you consider doing the same.

Once again, for those in the back row, I do not agree with everything the man has said, but until such time he clearly demonstrates bias and an agenda, he should be allowed to post his experiences and his opinions.
 
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barndg00 - Can you help me understand the virus' ability to "jump species"? Is it common to find the influenza or cold viruses in animals or is this one special?

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions.





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I asked him three direct questions. He said he would be back to answer more questions. When he did it was one quip about and item he called bogus. He has not addressed any of the ones I posed. My questions were asked in good faith to someone. As I said. Seemed like was somewhat qualified to take a stab at them. I know he does not live in Israel or know exactly what is going on worldwide. But his opinion would be valuable surely. I am sorry if we have become so ultra sensitive. But hard questions need to asked and answered if we are going to get anywhere other than where were at right now.



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I am sorry if we have become so ultra sensitive.
Uh uh. No. How do you manage to walk with balls that big? Calling me "ultra-sensitive" when I tell you to be polite to my guests? You damn well know better than that, and don't tell me you were referring to the member in question or to members in general. He didn't object to your tone; I did, so you're referring to me, and I do not have to put up with that kind of shit in this forum.

You're here every day. You should know I won't tolerate lip when I've taken the time to make my position clear on things such as this.

barndg00 doesn't owe you jack shit. He can ignore you if he so chooses. You can try to explain it away (with this passive-aggressive "I'm sorry we have become so ultra-senitive"), but you were being rude.
 
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Ok, My apologies.



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Thank you. And now, it's water under the bridge.

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Anyone hear anything about the Novavax vaccine? It uses the more traditional method of introducing the virus and letting the body build immunity. If this vaccination thing becomes something I choose (or forced) to do it appeals to me more then the new experimental approach.

Also, why is the conversation not about antibodies? Isn’t that what really matters especially when a large percentage of the population has already had COVID?


Antibodies are great, but always fade over time. With many infections, the body produces memory B cells, which act much like a trip wire for the immune system, keeping a record of the prior infection and how to make the antibodies if exposed again. I honest don’t know if we can test for specific memory B cells against a specific virus, short of taking someone who you know was previously exposed, now has undetectable antibodies, and re-exposing them to see if the get the illness or just get a bunch of fresh antibodies. Whether the vaccines will produce these B cells is not yet known, hence the vaccine booster discussion.
Excellent explanation. That said, can you comment on why this appears to be the only Novel style virus we have ever either totally downplayed or actively ignored natural immunity for? We certainly do not do that for Influenza, also a Novel virus.


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barndg00 - Can you help me understand the virus' ability to "jump species"? Is it common to find the influenza or cold viruses in animals or is this one special?

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions.


Not barndg00, but jumping species is quite common. MERS (if I remember correctly), passed from camel to human, SARS from birds, and the 1918 influenza bug jumped from pigs. It’s why we have “swine flu” and “bird flu” designations.
 
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Requiring a booster after 5 months (and presumably every 5 months after that) is all the proof I need that this is a crisis being used for profit. Perhaps for compromised individuals this is the way to go, but for those with robust immune systems it in wholly unnecessary. To threaten the livelihood of people in this category is utterly reprehensible. And masks? An N95 mask only seems to be effective to limiting spread by a sick wearer.




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Another expert on this subject. Just a short vid but powerful one from a respiratory therapist. We could play tit for tat all day with expert vs expert. This whole debacle is getting real old!

https://www.barnhardt.biz/






 
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First off, the vaccine adverse event reporting system is bogus. Literally any person in the world can go in and report any number of adverse reactions. Whether they are vaccinated or not. Look up the site and see for yourself. There is no investigation after a report is made.

VAERS data is updated every Friday...

COVID Vaccine Injury Reports Jump by 27,000 in One Week as FDA Pulls ‘Bait and Switch’ With Pfizer Vaccine Approval

VAERS data released Friday by the CDC showed a total of 623,343 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 13,627 deaths and 84,466 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 20, 2021.

COVID Vaccine Injury Reports Jump by 27,000 in One Week as FDA Pulls ‘Bait and Switch’ With Pfizer Vaccine Approval

Data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 20, 2021, a total of 623,343 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 13,627 deaths — an increase of 559 over the data released last week.

There were 84,466 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 3,416 compared with the previous week.

Excluding “foreign reports” filed in VAERS, 488,318 adverse events, including 6,128 deaths and 38,765 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 20, 2021.between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 20, 2021.

Of the 6,128 U.S. deaths reported as of Aug. 20, 13% occurred within 24 hours of vaccination, 18% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination and 32% occurred in people who experienced an onset of symptoms within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

In the U.S., 360.3 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of Aug. 20. This includes: 203 million doses of Pfizer, 143 million doses of Moderna and 14 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J).

The data come directly from reports submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S.

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.

This week’s U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
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  • 17,518 total adverse events, including 1,047 rated as serious and 18 reported deaths. Two of the 18 deaths were suicides.

    The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.

    Other deaths include two 13-year-old boys (VAERS I.D. 1406840 and 1431289) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, a 13-year-old boy who died after receiving Moderna (VAERS I.D. 1463061), three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), five 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1466009, 1225942, 1475434, and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
    2,609 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
    attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine.
    444 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 438 cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine.
    89 reports of blood clotting disorders, with all cases attributed to Pfizer.

    This week’s total U.S. VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to Aug. 20, 2021, for all age groups combined, show:

    21% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
    54% of those who died were male, 43% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
    The average age of death was 73.1.
    As of Aug 20., 3,190 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 982 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
    Of the 2,640 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 50% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 43% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
    530 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 39% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 34% to Moderna and 26% to J&J.
    132,694 reports of anaphylaxis with 43% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 49% to Moderna and 8% to J&J.
    8,528 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,633 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 3,101 reports to Moderna and 1,746 reports to J&J.
    2,162 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,364 cases attributed to Pfizer, 714 cases to Moderna and 78 cases to J&J’s COVID vaccine.

    https://basedunderground.com/2...er-vaccine-approval/



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    Adding this article from another thread.

    Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta

    This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant.

    A new study out of Israel suggests natural infection offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines, this is after Americans have been told that vaccines offer better protection than natural infections

    Dr. Anthony Fauci and the rest of President Biden’s COVID advisors have been proven wrong about “the science” of COVID vaccines yet again.

    The study was described by Bloomberg as “the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity – gained from an earlier infection – to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use.”

    A few days ago, we noted how remarkable it was that the mainstream press was finally giving voice to scientists to criticize President Biden’s push to start doling out booster jabs. Well, this study further questions the credibility of relying on vaccines, given that the study showed that the vaccinated were ultimately 13x as likely to be infected as those who were infected previously, and 27x more likely to be symptomatic.

    Alex Berenson, a science journalist who has repeatedly questioned the efficacy of vaccines and masks at preventing COVID, touted the study as enough to “end any debate over vaccines v natural immunity.”

    1/ Wow. New Israeli preprint shows natural immunity to #SARSCoV2 is FAR superior to the artificial kind – vaccinated people were 13x as likely to be infected and 27x to have symptomatic infections as a matched cohort that was previously infected. And this is with Delta dominant. pic.twitter.com/hhD9h0vyMS

    — Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 25, 2021

    2/ The paper also shows that offering previously infected people one dose slightly reduced their infection risk (though not enough to outweigh side effects, I would argue). Along with the other emerging data, this paper should end any debate over vaccines v natural immunity…

    — Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 25, 2021

    3/ Source: https://t.co/DcCpBoMFWd

    — Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 25, 2021

    Here’s an excerpt from a report by Science Magazine:

    The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrols about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.

    In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization was eight times higher.

    This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant, despite the fact that the US won’t acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus.

    As the first country to achieve widespread coverage by the vaccine, Israel is now in an unthinkable situation: daily case numbers have reached new record levels as the delta variant penetrates the vaccines’ protection like a hot knife slicing through butter.

    At the very least, the results of the study are good news for patients who have already successfully battled COVID but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic.

    “This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.

    Unfortunately, the study also showed that any protection is time-limited. The protection offered by natural infection wanes over time, just like the protection afforded by vaccines: The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13x higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That’s significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak.

    What’s more, giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. Still, the data don’t tell us anything about the long-term benefits of booster doses.

    This latest data showing the vaccines don’t offer anywhere near the 90%+ protection that was originally advertised by the FDA after the emergency authorization. Other studies are finding harmful side effects caused by the mRNA jabs are also more prevalent than previously believed.

    https://www.herald.ng/this-end...s-at-stopping-delta/


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    What is disheartening is the number of supposedly intelligent people that completely disregard the VAERS database because it conflicts with the narrative. Do they really believe people randomly enter false information? That is a leftist tactic, not conservative.




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    https://www.herald.ng/this-end...s-at-stopping-delta/


    That article left out the numbers used for that study:

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    The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.


    https://www.sciencemag.org/new...no-infection-parties


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    What is disheartening is the number of supposedly intelligent people that completely disregard the VAERS database because it conflicts with the narrative. Do they really believe people randomly enter false information? That is a leftist tactic, not conservative.


    I just want to know where we should be getting data since VAERS isn't to be trusted. Is there a database that only the medical professionals can gain access to (input/extract data), so that the data is incorruptible? If anyone knows of such a monster and is willing to share some details, I'd be keen to see how many "actual" adverse reactions have taken place. Perhaps breaking down by vaccine and what kind of reaction as well as if it occurred after the 1st dose or 2nd dose.


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    This covid stuff is scary, at least to me.

    My wife and I both had it at the end of October, she lost her sense of taste and smell and JUST RECENTLY got MOST of it back.

    Me, I spent a week in the VA Hospital, most of it in Intensive Care. Very sick time for me.

    So, when the VA got the Vaccine, Pfizer, I got both doses. Took longer for my wife to get hers (not a vet).

    Heard two stories from medical people the last couple days-one, a lady doc treating covid patients in a local hospital describes dying, unvaccinated patients who had previously refused to take the shots, begging for the vaccine-and her having to tell them it is too late.

    Another from a nurse in the ER at a large Clearwater hospital said she sees a great difference in symptoms and survival rates between Covid patients in the hospital who were vaccinated and those who were not.

    Thursday evening the local VA Hospital called and said I was eligible for my booster. It's a walk-in between 8-4 weekdays.

    I've read a lot of this stuff about the disease and dangers of the vaccinations. I know there are those who think the disease itself is some phony thing. My belief is that they are, to put it nicely, simply wrong.

    I've decided to get the booster. I'm fairly old, pushing 74, got a lot of health problems, had/have a couple of bad cancers, one I've survived (6 years) and the other is still a crap shoot, so I think I am gonna go visit my friends out at BayPines on Monday PM and get that booster.

    If I was in my 30s or 40s or even my 50s, as many of you are, I might feel differently about this, but I'm not, so ....

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    I know there are those who think the disease itself is some phony thing.

    There isn't a single person on this forum that believes that.
     
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