Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...patients-co-workers/

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Originally posted by 12131:
I know better than getting back in here after saying adios hundreds of pages ago, but here goes.

I personally would not call the VAERS "bogus". Sure, it will let anybody get in to report possible adverse reactions to vaccines, and potentially there will be false reporting. But, the public are not the only ones that report, as healthcare providers/organizations and vaccine manufacturers are also reporting, and I'll wager that most are honest reporting. And sure, there are follow up investigations, if they detect a "safety signal". Here is the direct quote (Disclaimer) from CDC, with emphasis mine.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

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VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals." If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

* Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.

* Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.

* The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.

* VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.

* VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.

VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.

An example of serious adverse event attributed to a vaccine leading to its withdrawal from the market was the rotavirus vaccine (RotaShield®) 22 years ago. Those of us who were doing pediatrics remembered it well. Kids getting the vaccine were developing intussusception, a condition where the gut was telescoping on itself leading to potential fatal blockage if not caught and treated promptly.

With all that said, that doesn't mean I'm cheering for the CDC. Not in the least. What they, and the rest of organized medicine (AMA, ACP, AAP, etc.) and the so-called prestigious medical publications, together with big tech and the corrupt media and politicians, have done in the last almost 2 years regarding this coronavirus is despicable, as far as I'm concerned. I have not taken the shot and don't intend to ever getting the shot. I have my own reasons. People who take the shot have their reasons, and I personally don't care. I just wish people respect each other's choices.

Thank you for this post, and thanks to the other doctor who posted here.


Do you have any thoughts on Ivermectin or HCQ/zinc? There are numerous reports of doctors and patients having success with them, and it’s what I have on hand in case I contract the virus, but I always like additional opinions.


Earlier in the thread there was mention of distrust of the medical profession and even of PCPs. My doctor advocates the shot, I have not taken it and do not plan to do so. At 34 years old, and in decent health, I believe the vaccine poses more risk to me than the virus. Especially considering I have therapeutics.


In this particular case, I disagree with my family doctor. That doesn’t mean I don’t trust him, just that I realize he’s human and will not get everything right. Yes, as a whole, my respect for the medical establishment has plummeted since 2020, but there are a lot of great doctors out there.


Not only do I respect many doctors, I married one. While my wife no longer practices medicine, she did so for over a decade in Mexico. Side note, ask her about the insanity of socialized medicine.


Like most people posting here, I want to live and let live. You want all three vaccines and to wear four masks? Go for it! Just leave me alone.

To the experts of the world, it’s ok to say “I don’t know”.

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Originally posted by 41:
Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...patients-co-workers/

That was an interesting read and something worthy of discussion/debate amongst the medical community.

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Originally posted by TheNewbie:
To the experts of the world, it’s ok to say “I don’t know”.

No its not. Doing that would result in....

1 - Large groups of people not doing what the government 'demands' they do, and,
2 - A huge loss of revenue for Big Pharma (and the politicians owned by them).

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by 41:
Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...patients-co-workers/

That was an interesting read and something worthy of discussion/debate amongst the medical community.

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Originally posted by TheNewbie:
To the experts of the world, it’s ok to say “I don’t know”.

No its not. Doing that would result in....

1 - Large groups of people not doing what the government 'demands' they do, and,
2 - A huge loss of revenue for Big Pharma (and the politicians owned by them).

Good points.

Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Linked to Heart Inflammation Risk in Real-World Study

https://www.theepochtimes.com/..._campaign=2021-08-27

Real-world data from Israel linked Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine to an elevated risk of heart inflammation, researchers said this week.

Israeli scientists found that vaccination likely caused myocarditis, or heart inflammation, in one to five people per 100,000 who wouldn’t have otherwise suffered the condition.

However, they also said that getting COVID-19 was linked to a higher risk—with 11 inflammation events out of 100 attributed to the disease.

Most of the heart inflammation cases post-vaccination were in young males. The 21 people who had myocarditis in the vaccinated group had a median age of 25, and 90.9 percent were men.

“We estimated that the BNT162b2 vaccine resulted in an increased incidence of a few adverse events over a 42-day follow-up period. Although most of these events were mild, some of them, such as myocarditis, could be potentially serious,” they said, referring to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

“However, our results indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infection is itself a very strong risk factor for myocarditis, and it also substantially increases the risk of multiple other serious adverse events. These findings help to shed light on the short- and medium-term risks of the vaccine and place them in clinical context. Further studies will be needed to estimate the potential of long-term adverse events.”

The research analyzed adverse events reported among 884,828 vaccinated people and an equal number of people who didn’t receive a vaccine, as well as a cohort of more than 240,000 people who contracted COVID-19. It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Aug. 25. Dr. Ran Balicer, of the Clalit Health Services in Tel Aviv, led the research group. They were funded by Harvard Medical School and the Clalit Research Institute.

A Pfizer spokesperson told The Epoch Times in an email that the company is aware of “rare reports of myocarditis and pericarditis, predominantly in male adolescents and young adults, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.”

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines utilize messenger RNA, or mRNA, technology.

The spokesperson noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention describes the heart inflammation as a rare side effect.

“Patients have typically rapidly improved with conservative treatment. It is important to note that CDC continues to strongly encourage COVID-19 vaccinations for eligible individuals aged 12 and older. With hundreds of millions of doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine administered globally, the benefit risk profile of our vaccine remains positive,” the spokesperson added.

The Pfizer vaccine has been found in multiple countries to be associated with an increased risk of heart inflammation, including the United States. U.S. health officials added a warning to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in June regarding the higher risk, but have continued recommending them for use, and earlier this week, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) gave full approval to the Pfizer vaccine.

The Pfizer vaccine, as well as shots offered by Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, had previously been made available to the public through emergency use authorization (EUA) from the FDA. The Moderna and Johnson & Johnson shots are currently still under EUA.

Dr. Grace Lee, of the Stanford University School of Medicine, highlighted how the risk of myocarditis was higher among COVID-19 patients than the vaccinated in an editorial accompanying the new study.

“What is even more compelling about these data is the substantial protective effect of vaccines with respect to adverse events such as acute kidney injury, intracranial hemorrhage, and anemia, probably because infection was prevented. Furthermore, the persons with SARS-CoV-2 infection appeared to be at substantially higher risk for arrhythmia, myocardial infarction, deep-vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, pericarditis, intracerebral hemorrhage, and thrombocytopenia than those who received the BNT162b2 vaccine,” Lee wrote.

Not everyone was enthused by the research, however.

Dr. Vinay Prasad said issues in the study included the lack of a one-dose cohort, as Pfizer’s regimen requires two doses, and it not identifying people who recovered from COVID-19 but didn’t get vaccinated.

“You need to report separately for boys aged 16-24, who face a vastly higher rate of myocarditis and may not gain much beyond 1 dose,” Prasad, an associate professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California–San Francisco, wrote on Twitter.

https://www.statesmanjournal.c...vaccines/5251142001/


Oregon will require all captive mink to receive COVID-19 vaccines.
The move follows an outbreak of COVID-19 among animals and workers at a large mink farm in Oregon last November. Following that outbreak, several mink outside the farm tested positive as well.
The Oregon Department of Agriculture’s emergency temporary rule requires all captive mink to be vaccinated by Aug. 31. Any captive mink born or imported after that date must be vaccinated within 120 days of birth, or 60 days after import.
There have been no additional outbreaks following the original, ODA spokeswoman Andrea Cantu-Schomus said. She said vaccines will begin arriving in Oregon next week. Mink producers will bear the cost of vaccinations.
Last month, Russia registered the world's first coronavirus vaccine for animals.
Oregon's vaccine will come from New Jersey-based Zoetis, Cantu-Schomus said. Producers will obtain vaccine through their veterinarians, in cooperation with Fur Commission USA, an Oregon-based national trade group for mink farmers.
Last fall, Denmark announced it would kill all 17 million of the mink raised there after confirmation that 12 people had been infected with a mutated strain of COVID-19 that had spread from mink to humans. The strain was not found elsewhere.
There have been COVID-19 outbreaks at 16 mink farms across the United States, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Other animals have also tested positive for the virus nationwide, including 89 cats, 78 dogs, one cougar, three gorillas, five lions, four otters, three snow leopards and 17 tigers.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
https://www.statesmanjournal.c...vaccines/5251142001/


Oregon will require all captive mink to receive COVID-19 vaccines.

This is why all efforts to "CURE" the Wu Flu will fail. It's not just humans that carry and transmit it.

They've apparently found it in the whitetails around here.

Is there still any doubt this was an Engineered virus? ...that escaped? or was released?

So pervasive, elusive, and ever changing.

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Originally posted by Patriot:
Is there still any doubt this was an Engineered virus? ...that escaped? or was released?

So pervasive, elusive, and ever changing.

It's been trained to 'gain function'.

I hope all those animals are wearing masks.

It spread because the Minks didnt social distance!

Dumb question: isn't the mink infection a good chance to test herd immunity? Or would it be completely unrelated to the human experience?

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Originally posted by Patriot:
Is there still any doubt this was an Engineered virus? ...that escaped? or was released?

So pervasive, elusive, and ever changing.

I was forwarded the following information on two studies that are enrolling outpatient COVID-19 patients to test for medication effectiveness. Both will ship meds to your home.

COVID-OUT study
University of Minnesota
"Outpatient Treatment for SARS-CoV-2 Infection, a Factorial Randomized Trial"
https://covidout.umn.edu/
Enrolling: age 30-85, tested positive for CoVID-19 within the last 3 days, + a few exclusions
Study meds: Ivermectin, fluvoxamine, metformin
Patient gets $400


Activ-6 study
"The Randomized Trial to Evaluate Efficacy of Repurposed Medications"
Duke University
https://activ6study.org
Enrolling age 30+, positive COVID-19 test within last 10 days, and 2+ COVID-19 symptoms <7 days
Study medications: ivermectin, fluticasone inhaled, fluvoxamine (may add more in the future)
Patient gets $100

I've not looked into either one of them, but thought some here might be interested in participating should you end up getting the Wu-Flu.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:

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Originally posted by barndg00:
First off, the vaccine adverse event reporting system is bogus. Literally any person in the world can go in and report any number of adverse reactions. Whether they are vaccinated or not. Look up the site and see for yourself. There is no investigation after a report is made. It is a garbage data set that was set up when people like Jenny McCarthy was touting that vaccines cause autism. I will try to address more questions tonight, but am getting a plane now.

Credibility lost You're telling me that the CDC has set up a website that can be edited as easily as Wikipedia? RIGHT Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment. <<<<but that doesn't matter right? CDC won't follow up anyway, so why not keep feeding it shit data? Un-fucking-believable that someone with an advanced medical degree would be so intellectually dishonest.

Data taken from https://wonder.cdc.gov/control...3201821A730E7E0FEA42 at 16:22 on 8/26/21
COVID19 (COVID19 (JANSSEN)) (1203) 47,478 4.03%
COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA)) (1201) 211,797 17.96%
COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH)) (1200) 220,646 18.71%
COVID19 (COVID19 (UNKNOWN)) (1202) 1,073 0.09%

I'm sure nearly half a million (anti vaxxers) went ahead a knowingly broke the law and pumped it full of fake data to make you and the rest of the "medical" community look like fools? Here's what I know: two 19 year old girls were given the vaccine. Half of them died the same night. Does that provide a huge sample size? Of course it doesn't, but taken with other reports and the "bogus data" from VAERS, it sure looks like it's a bigger problem than we've been lead to believe.

Go ahead, check the site. Make a report about an injury. Report the girl who died that you know. She what proof they ask you for the report. See if anyone ever contacts you about it. I’ll be happy to eat my words and publicly apologize to you and the entire forum for my “intellectual dishonesty”.

Barn, is this your "attempt to answer more questions?"

Just wondering.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
Anyone hear anything about the Novavax vaccine? It uses the more traditional method of introducing the virus and letting the body build immunity. If this vaccination thing becomes something I choose (or forced) to do it appeals to me more then the new experimental approach.

Also, why is the conversation not about antibodies? Isn’t that what really matters especially when a large percentage of the population has already had COVID?

Antibodies are great, but always fade over time. With many infections, the body produces memory B cells, which act much like a trip wire for the immune system, keeping a record of the prior infection and how to make the antibodies if exposed again. I honest don’t know if we can test for specific memory B cells against a specific virus, short of taking someone who you know was previously exposed, now has undetectable antibodies, and re-exposing them to see if the get the illness or just get a bunch of fresh antibodies. Whether the vaccines will produce these B cells is not yet known, hence the vaccine booster discussion.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I was forwarded the following information on two studies that are enrolling outpatient COVID-19 patients to test for medication effectiveness. Both will ship meds to your home.

COVID-OUT study
University of Minnesota
"Outpatient Treatment for SARS-CoV-2 Infection, a Factorial Randomized Trial"
https://covidout.umn.edu/
Enrolling: age 30-85, tested positive for CoVID-19 within the last 3 days, + a few exclusions
Study meds: Ivermectin, fluvoxamine, metformin
Patient gets $400


Activ-6 study
"The Randomized Trial to Evaluate Efficacy of Repurposed Medications"
Duke University
https://activ6study.org
Enrolling age 30+, positive COVID-19 test within last 10 days, and 2+ COVID-19 symptoms <7 days
Study medications: ivermectin, fluticasone inhaled, fluvoxamine (may add more in the future)
Patient gets $100

I've not looked into either one of them, but thought some here might be interested in participating should you end up getting the Wu-Flu.

Good information. Thanks for sharing. My old lady is not feeling well today and is running a fever and absolutely hates going to the doctor. If she has something this may be helpful.

My last post for today, as the majority of us are conservative/libertarian leaning. We wish for the government to leave us alone and naturally would resist mandates of any kind. However, I think we all respect that freedom of choice also comes with real responsibility. I have been trying in this thread to educate to the best of my ability so that you can make a decision for yourself based on what I believe to be trustworthy data, backed by my own personal observation treating the disease. Sadly, there are a lot of real gaps in our knowledge of the disease. Many of those gaps make it harder to make a choice. Very little scientific literature on anything Covid related has been peer reviewed, most has been published publicly and picked up by various media outlets and broadcast to a population that is divided and scared. Almost no studies regarding treatment modalities have been replicated by other scientists in larger populations for confirmation. The typical scientific process has been short circuited. I am happy to see the two studies above are being done.
I think it is obvious that there are many people getting infected, and the numbers of people in the country being hospitalized is impairing the medical system’s ability to take care of non-Covid patients. Thus, my real desire is to prevent more hospitalizations that I believe are largely preventable. As a libertarian, I am against absolute mandates, but I am very strongly for personal responsibility. Thus, if you feel that the vaccine is not worth the potential risk, then you should do the responsible thing and wear a mask. Not a gator, or even a surgical mask, but an honest to goodness N95 mask, and avoid situations where you cannot. That is being responsible, and if people would do that, we would have no need for mandates and no overrun hospitals.

If you believe the CDC is investigating all the reporting from VAERS (which I do not at least for the full data set), then you should feel assured that they haven’t found a signal about the vaccines killing people. They would have investigated all those reports and concluded that there was no real correlation. Or they see a correlation but have willfully concluded to keep it from the public. They have not done that with the reports of myocarditis in young male patients. So either the vaccine does kill and injure people at the rate reported by VAERS and we shouldn’t use it, or VAERS reports are not reliable and the injury rate is much lower. It can’t be both without a vast, impossible to hide, conspiracy involving thousands of people keeping it secret.

Lastly, regarding the risk of myocarditis with the Pfizer vaccine, yes that appears to have been reported enough that I believe it does exist and I don’t discount that. However, in two separate studies I’ve read so far, all identified patients recovered.

https://jamanetwork.com/journa.../fullarticle/2782900

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If you believe the CDC is investigating all the reporting from VAERS (which I do not at least for the full data set), then you should feel assured that they haven’t found a signal about the vaccines killing people. They would have investigated all those reports and concluded that there was no real correlation. Or they see a correlation but have willfully concluded to keep it from the public. They have not done that with the reports of myocarditis in young male patients. So either the vaccine does kill and injure people at the rate reported by VAERS and we shouldn’t use it, or VAERS reports are not reliable and the injury rate is much lower. It can’t be both without a vast, impossible to hide, conspiracy involving thousands of people keeping it secret.

Perhaps they do investigate, at least some of them, but they are understaffed, overwhelmed, and/or otherwise just slow and bureaucratic?

Also, without knowing who the "whistleblower" is, at least one report is that the 13,000 number of deaths is way low. It could be over 45,000. But I have no way to verify the affidavit.

As of July 9, reported deaths in the VAERS totaled 10,991. Of those, 4,593 occurred within 72-hours of vaccination.

The whistleblower — a computer programmer who developed more than 100 distinct healthcare fraud algorithms, and who has expertise in healthcare data analytics that allows her to access Medicare and Medicaid data obtained by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Systems (CMS) — filed a sworn statement under penalty of perjury alleging the actual number of COVID vaccine-related deaths is closer to 45,000.

The whistleblower alleged that VAERS, while extremely useful, is under-reported by a conservative factor of at least five.

In her statement, she said:

“On July 9, 2021, there were 9,048 deaths reported in VAERS. I verified these numbers by collating all of the data from VAERS myself, not relying on a third party to report them. In tandem, I queried data from CMS medical claims with regard to vaccines and patient deaths, and have assessed that the deaths occurring within 3 days of vaccination are higher than those reported in VAERS by a factor of at least 5. This would indicate the true number of vaccine-related deaths was at least 45,000. Put in perspective, the swine flu vaccine was taken off the market which only resulted in 53 deaths.”

AFLDS said the findings were shocking, and informed consent is impossible when safety data is not accurate.

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/...oe%20Declaration.pdf

https://childrenshealthdefense...-cdc-vaccine-deaths/