It's unenforceable, unless you're just really unlucky.

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Originally posted by highroundcount:
https://ktvz.com/news/coronavi...elta-variant-spread/

Go down Brown first to lick the short bus window yet again:

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...f-vaccination-status

The fox article says the Oregon outdoor mask mandate won’t apply to the homeless population. I guess that’s one way to solve the problem?

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Here’s a better idea: How about if Tom shows proof of antibodies? Isn’t this what the vax fanatics should really ask of everyone, including the vaccinated? How do we know that those who have received the experimental mRNA-based vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer have reliable immunity to those of us with natural immunity? Actually, the latest research suggests they don’t.

The #1 opponent to that rational approach....government and the vaxx crew. For the millionth time, this BS has nothing to do with healthcare. This, like virtually everything coming out of Washington today, is totally about money and control.

The Photograph That Brought an End to 1918's Mask Mandate During Spanish Flu

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...spanish-flu-n2594608

Good video at link.

Wow. This stuff is getting out of hand

And they tried to play sneaky with it and not inform parents? That coach would be at the ER getting his ankle bracelet removed from his rectum if that had been my child and I found out.

Washington High School Forcing Unvaccinated Student Athletes to Wear Ankle Monitors, Parent Says

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Originally posted by parabellum:
It's unenforceable, unless you're just really unlucky.

Unlucky?, no one gives a fuck? (and if they try they get shot).

I respect you hate defeatist stuff. But enforceable it is. "Go to town on that salad Brown" has her minions shutting down every business that pops a big FU.

Most of the west coast is in big hurt. Done and Done. Dog bites the fleas yet there they are.

There is a lot of big country still existing. Hope at this point is on them......

Do you think no one will be confronted over this? Some people will be, and those few, will be unlucky.

Clear?

It's becoming more clear

Unvaxed = enemy of the state

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Do you think no one will be confronted over this? Some people will be, and those few, will be unlucky.

Clear?

Confronted? Oh sure. Tick Turd will just shuffle off into hell licking ice cream. He will be ripped to shreds depending on how many allies and Afghanis he has killed.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Do you think no one will be confronted over this? Some people will be, and those few, will be unlucky.

Clear?

I agree.

They can't arrest everybody if most people would stop complying with the insanity.

Any pushback must be all or none. That includes the right, moderates, cops, everyone. I have no faith the brainwashed sheep on the left won’t welcome it with that odd sense of rapture they display at this subjugation, so I won’t include them. Anything short of what the government would call full blown insurrection will fail.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Any pushback must be all or none. That includes the right, moderates, cops, everyone. I have no faith the brainwashed sheep on the left won’t welcome it with that odd sense of rapture they display at this subjugation, so I won’t include them. Anything short of what the government would call full blown insurrection will fail.

It's called "consent of the governed" for a reason. We need to remind everyone that that "consent" can be revoked by the governed if enough of us decide it should be. Order and compliance can only be maintained via voluntary compliance. When that voluntary compliance ends, government is virtually powerless to do anything about it.

This used to be a conspiracy theory.

" If you protect a very big part of the population, and if there is a strain that emerges that can use this pool of population to replicate while the current strains cannot, obviously this will overtake the original. So it’s not a certainty, but it is now, I believe, a likely scenario,” he said."



Pfizer CEO Predicts Vaccine-Resistant COVID-19 Variant Likely to Emerge

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...QZszMfgB5O9wouknqqQE

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said on Tuesday that, at some point in the future, a strain of COVID-19 that is resistant to vaccines is likely to emerge.

“Every time that the variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it,” Bourla told Fox News in an interview. “They are researching to see if this variant can escape the protection of our vaccine. We haven’t identified any yet but we believe that it is likely that one day, one of them will emerge.”

This is not the first time Bourla has made the ominous prediction. He addressed the issue in a wide-ranging interview with Fortune in February, around the time when attention was increasingly turning to new mutations of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, the pathogen that causes COVID-19.

Responding to a question about the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against emerging variants, Bourla said he was “quite confident” it could neutralize the new mutations and cited encouraging lab results. At the same time, he said that “the fundamental question” is how likely it is that there will eventually emerge a vaccine-resistant strain of coronavirus.

“Theoretically, it’s a very possible scenario. If you protect a very big part of the population, and if there is a strain that emerges that can use this pool of population to replicate while the current strains cannot, obviously this will overtake the original. So it’s not a certainty, but it is now, I believe, a likely scenario,” he said.

At the time, Bourla told Fortune that the mRNA technology used in the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine allows for the rapid development of a new version able to create a different immunogenicity that could cover new mutations. He predicted that such a vaccine could be developed in around two months but noted this would depend on multiple factors including the regulatory framework.

In his interview with Fox News, he expanded on this, saying Pfizer has a process in place allowing the company to develop a variant-specific vaccine within 95 days of identifying a new mutation.

His remarks came on the same day that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported new data shedding more light on vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant. Based on a study of 4,217 fully vaccinated participants—65 percent of whom received the Pfizer shot, 33 percent took Moderna’s vaccine, and 2 percent got the Johnson&Johnson jab—the CDC report found lower effectiveness (66 percent) during the Delta prominent period compared to the months preceding Delta predominance (91 percent).

A day earlier, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) granted full regulatory approval for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine for people 16 and older, making it the first such shot to make it beyond the emergency-use-only stage.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Dr. Vander Boosh predicted this from the beginning of vaccines.

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In his interview with Fox News, he expanded on this, saying Pfizer has a process in place allowing the company to develop a variant-specific vaccine within 95 days of identifying a new mutation.

You will need a shot every 8 months.
It's all about the money.
No thanks.

The Vaccinated Are Getting Sick at High Rates as Scientists Are Clueless As to Why

By Timothy Alexander Guzman
Global Research

August 25, 2021

It seems that those who have taken the Covid-19 experimental injections several months ago are starting to become seriously ill. Chicago’s WGN9 reported that “The Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. and his wife, Jacqueline Jackson have both tested positive for COVID-19 and are hospitalized at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, according to a statement from Rainbow PUSH Coalition.” The report mentioned that he “was vaccinated against Covid-19 in early January.”

Jackson is a well-known activist in the US who believed in Big Pharma’s miracle cure against Covid-19 and now he is suffering from the consequences of not doing the research on the dangers of the experimental injections. In an interesting twist to the mainstream media’s reporting on the Covid-19 experimental injections, Bloomberg News headlined with a disturbing title for its readership, ‘The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers’ said that the

“Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others.”

This is what good doctors and scientists from all over the world have been warning us about since the experimental injection was released under Operation Warp Speed. But the mainstream media continues its relentless defense of the medical establishment as it makes the case that the experimental injection offers “powerful protections” against Covid-19 “it is evident vaccination still provides powerful protection against the virus”, then admits that “there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.”

All I have to say is wow! The following is an admission that the so-called vaccine is a disaster in the making especially for those who blindly rushed to become Big Pharma’s guinea pigs. A former director from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), Dr. Tom Frieden can’t even give a clear answer to any questions for those who were already vaccinated on how they can protect themselves or if they will need a booster shot in the near future:

There’s a dearth of scientific studies with concrete answers, leaving public policy makers and corporate executives to formulate plans based on fragmented information. While some are renewing mask mandates or delaying office reopenings, others cite the lack of clarity to justify staying the course. It can all feel like a mess.

“We have to be humble about what we do know and what we don’t know,” said Tom Frieden, a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the head of the nonprofit Resolve to Save Lives. “There are a few things we can say definitively. One is that this is a hard question to address.”

Absent clear public health messaging, vaccinated people are left confused about how to protect themselves. Just how vulnerable they are is a key variable not just for public health officials trying to figure out, say, when booster shots might be needed, but also to inform decisions about whether to roll back reopenings amid a new wave of the virus. On a smaller scale, the unknowns have left music lovers unsure if it’s OK to see a concert and prompted a fresh round of hang-wringing among parents pondering what school is going to look like

Mass confusion is coming soon as more people who have already taken the experimental injection are becoming sick. The authors of the article, Kristen V. Brown and Rebecca Torrence add several case studies of “breakthrough infections” that makes understanding the after-effects of the experimental injections a bit more confusing:

In lieu of answers, what has emerged is a host of case studies providing somewhat different pictures of breakthrough infections. Variables including when the surveys were conducted, whether the delta variant was present, how much of the population was vaccinated and even what the weather was like at the time make it hard to compare results and suss out patterns. It’s difficult to know which data might ultimately carry more heft.

“It’s quite clear that we have more breakthroughs now,” said Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease expert at the University of California, San Francisco. “We all know someone who has had one. But we don’t have great clinical data”

The article does mention the Fourth of July celebrations in the beach town of Provincetown, Massachusetts where both the vaccinated and unvaccinated partied and found that “three-fourths of the 469 new infections occurred were among the vaccinated people”:

Authors of a CDC case study said this might mean that they were just as likely to transmit Covid-19 as the unvaccinated. Even so, they cautioned, as more people are vaccinated, it’s natural that they would also account for a larger share of Covid-19 infections and this one study was not sufficient to draw any conclusions. The incident prompted the CDC to reverse a recommendation it had issued just a few weeks earlier and once again urge the vaccinated to mask up in certain settings

Here is where they use Israel’s research that suggests that the experimental injections wane after several months:

Research out of Israel seems to back the idea that protection from severe disease wanes in the months after inoculation, and more recently, that breakthrough cases may eventually lead to an uptick in hospitalizations. The information is preliminary and severe breakthrough cases are still rare, but it bolsters the case that some people will need booster shots in coming months.

Case studies and data from some states in the U.S. have similarly shown an increase in breakthrough cases over time. But with the delta variant also on the rise, it’s difficult to tell whether waning immunity to any type of coronavirus infection is to blame, or if the vaccinations are particularly ineffective against the delta variant. It could be both, of course. Changing behavior among vaccinated people could be a factor, too, as they return to social gatherings and travel and dining indoors

In typical propaganda fashion, the Bloomberg authors basically blame the unvaccinated for the uptick in breakthrough cases:

All that said, some facts are well established at this point. Vaccinated people infected with the virus are much less likely to need to go to the hospital, much less likely to need intubation and much less likely to die from the illness. There’s no doubt that vaccines provide significant protection. But a large proportion of the nation — almost 30% of U.S. adults — have not been vaccinated, a fact that has conspired with the highly contagious delta variant to push the country into a new wave of outbreaks

Well, the Reverend Jesse Jackson may disagree with that statement now since he and his wife are hospitalized with a new round of Covid-19 delta variant despite the fact that he allowed the medical establishment to convince him that new MRNA experimental injections would protect him and his family. Bloomberg’s article ends with a clear indication that the doctors and scientists that promoted the vaccine and in most cases, are in the pockets of Big Pharma such as Dr. Tom Frieden do not know what is going on:

For the time being, there are simply more questions than answers. Are breakthrough infections ticking up because of the delta variant, waning immunity or a return to normal life? Are vaccinated people more vulnerable to severe illness than previously thought? Just how common are breakthrough infections? It’s anyone’s guess.

“It is generally the case that we have to make public health decisions based on imperfect data,” Frieden said. “But there is just a lot we don’t know”

However, there are numerous good doctors and scientists who have not sold their souls to the devil that have sounded the alarm about the dangers associated with the experimental injections such as Doctors for Covid Ethics who wrote an urgent open letter to the European Medicines Agency in March 2021. Here is what they said:

As physicians and scientists, we are supportive in principle of the use of new medical interventions which are appropriately developed and deployed, having obtained informed consent from the patient. This stance encompasses vaccines in the same way as therapeutics.

We note that a wide range of side effects is being reported following vaccination of previously healthy younger individuals with the gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. Moreover, there have been numerous media reports from around the world of care homes being struck by COVID-19 within days of vaccination of residents. While we recognise that these occurrences might, every one of them, have been unfortunate coincidences, we are concerned that there has been and there continues to be inadequate scrutiny of the possible causes of illness or death under these circumstances, and especially so in the absence of post-mortems examinations.

In particular, we question whether cardinal issues regarding the safety of the vaccines were adequately addressed prior to their approval by the European Medicines Agency (EMA)

The warnings were loud and clear from the start, but Big Pharma, the mainstream media and the rest of the political establishment ignored those who predicted the consequences from their so-called “vaccines” because they wanted to control the narrative and the profits associated with it. There is just too much too loose for the establishment since the real agenda is not to make the world a healthy place for humanity, but to rule the entire planet through coercive measures and it is called medical tyranny.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...-clueless-as-to-why/

A friend that works for Merck said they’re all required to have proof of vaccination by Nov 1st.

“We’re seeing a lot of patients come in with cardiac issues, stroke, pulmonary embolisms and blood clots in general after receiving these vaccines, and they’re varying in ages, from their 20s all the way to 70s and we’re seeing a lot more adverse reactions than the CDC and all those people are reporting on,” she revealed.



Frontline Health Care Workers Protest Mandatory Vaccination in California

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...ifornia_3963312.html

With California’s deadline of mandatory COVID-19 vaccination for all health care workers approaching, boycotts are gaining momentum.

On Aug. 21, California’s frontline health care workers held simultaneous protests in Riverside and Irvine against the government’s mandatory vaccination order at Kaiser Permanente-Riverside Medical Center and Kaiser Permanente Orange County-Irvine Medical Center.

Many protesters told The Epoch Times that their hospitals had given them an ultimatum: they had until Sept. 30 to choose between mandatory vaccination and getting fired.

The California Department of Public Health issued an announcement on Aug. 5 that workers in hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, long-term care homes, and other health care-related fields must be vaccinated by Sept. 30.

Kristina, a registered nurse in California, said her hospital requires staff who are not vaccinated to be tested twice a week. “If we still don’t meet those criteria to have our exemption approved, then up on October 1 we’re going to be placed on 45 days unpaid administrative leave and after that, they said they don’t know what they’re going to do but we can assume what they’re going to do, we’re gonna get fired.”

As a health care worker who has been on the front lines during the outbreak, Kristina believes that mandatory vaccination policies are not for public safety, but are instead politically motivated. For example, people who oppose the mandate and fight for freedom of choice are labeled as “anti-vaccine” and “anti-science.”

“We’re super pro-science. We want people to survive this. We want this pandemic to end more than anybody does,” Kristina said. But as a health care professional, she said she needs to tell people that “it’s not as safe and effective that people are saying.”

She pointed out that the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus vaccines are being pushed too fast and did not go through the normal clinical trial stage. “We’re seeing a lot of patients come in with cardiac issues, stroke, pulmonary embolisms and blood clots in general after receiving these vaccines, and they’re varying in ages, from their 20s all the way to 70s and we’re seeing a lot more adverse reactions than the CDC and all those people are reporting on,” she revealed.

Currently, there has been a spate of serious adverse events and deaths due to vaccination. The effectiveness of the vaccines has also been called into question. In July, a cluster of infections occurred in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, where 74 percent of the 469 cases had been vaccinated.

“What is the point of getting the vaccine, if we’re still gonna spread it?” Kristina asked.

“I know that there’s been a couple studies that have come out [about] how the coronavirus spike proteins affect our cardiac cells, which makes a lot of sense, because we’re having increases of myocardial infarctions, mild carditis, pericarditis, all of these heart issues,” she added.

In June, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it had received reports of more than 1,200 cases of myocarditis following vaccination. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) indicates that many of these cases occurred after receiving a second dose of mRNA vaccine.

According to a study published on BioRxiv last December by a team of Translational Health researchers from the University of Bristol, the capsid spike protein of the CCP virus by itself can trigger a chain reaction in human cardiac pericytes, leading to heart inflammation and cardiovascular cell damage. These findings suggest that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, which produce the spike protein when inside the human body, may elicit vascular cell dysfunction.

The Epoch Times has reached out to Southern California Region Kaiser Permanente for comments, as it is one of the many hospitals in California that have issued mandatory vaccination notices.

The hospital replied in an email: “We strongly believe in the science and evidence supporting COVID-19 vaccine safety and efficacy. … All Kaiser Permanente employees and physicians must provide proof of full vaccination by Sept. 30. Those who don’t must submit to weekly testing.”

“We are working with labor leaders on implementation of this vaccination requirement and will also be complying with local, state and federal laws.”

Mickie Fairburn, a pediatric registered nurse who attended the protest rally, said the authorities should not force the vaccine on everybody, “because the vaccine is not for everybody.”

Her primary concern is the safety of the vaccine.

“It’s just an experimental vaccine. They don’t know everything about this vaccine. Some side effects from the vaccine are detrimental and are lifelong … It’s not safe yet [as] it hasn’t even been a full year,” she said.

She also pointed out that the vaccinated could be spreading the Delta variant just as much as the unvaccinated.

In the face of the highly contagious Delta variant, an internal CDC report on July 29 indicated that vaccinated individuals can still transmit the virus.

“We should be able to keep our jobs, and just get tested if needed,” Mickie said.

Nurse Chrissy R. knows a patient who had a stroke after getting vaccinated. She has also seen multiple adverse reactions to the vaccine, many of which are even fatal. “This is America. We should have freedom of choice, [especially] from the medical perspective,” she said.

One of the protesters, Bradley Cole, believes that the government is pushing vaccines step by step on the grounds of “science” and “public safety,” and so far the government has been very successful due to the fear created.

“The only thing I understand is that you have a concept of fear,” he said. “You have the mainstream media that constantly pumping fear into this society and everyone buys it.”

Cole holds that it’s an infringement upon our constitutional rights to live in a free society, a free Republic, “and that’s when you have the entry of dictators and communist regimes that actually come into this country and now start pushing those mandates. If you’re starting to give up your freedoms and it’s starting to erode everywhere else.”

“There’s obviously a bigger agenda here, because it’s always based on fear and control,” he said. “So if you keep pumping fear, you have the greatest control on people because people are afraid.”

https://www.biorxiv.org/conten.../2020.12.21.423721v2

Delta has joined the forced vaccine frenzy for employees. You can choose not to get it, but if you don't, $200 more a month for your health care, Imagine Delta is self insured so they can easily do this.

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Delta Air Lines is raising health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees by $200 a month to cover higher Covid costs

PUBLISHED WED, AUG 25 202110:00 AM EDTUPDATED 5 MIN AGO

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian notified employees Wednesday that they will face $200 monthly increases on their health insurance premiums starting Nov. 1 if they aren’t vaccinated against Covid-19, citing steep costs to cover employees who are hospitalized with the virus.

Unvaccinated employees will face other restrictions, including indoor masking effective immediately and weekly Covid-19 tests starting Sept. 12, the Atlanta-based airline said in announcing new Covid policies for employees.

The measures are the latest attempt by a U.S. corporation to drive up Covid vaccination rates. Delta stopped short of an outright mandate like rival United Airlines established earlier this month. Delta, which self-insures its employees, stands out in its plans to raise premiums for unvaccinated workers to cover the higher costs of insuring employees who get Covid.

“The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person,” Bastian said in an employee memo. “This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company. In recent weeks since the rise of the B.1.617.2 variant, all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID were not fully vaccinated.”

United Healthcare administers the airline’s health insurance plans. The change in approach was Delta’s initiative.

Delta also said starting Sept. 30, “in compliance with state and local laws, COVID pay protection will only be provided to fully vaccinated individuals who are experiencing a breakthrough infection.” Unvaccinated employees who contract Covid, without exemptions, will have to use their sick days after that.

CEO Bastian said that about 75% of Delta’s roughly 75,000 employees are already vaccinated and that “aggressiveness of the [delta] variant means we need to get many more of our people vaccinated, and as close to 100 percent as possible.”

Delta earlier this year started requiring new employees to be vaccinated against Covid.

On Monday, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave full approval to the Pfizer vaccine though a Delta spokeswoman said the plan had been in the works for weeks and that the timing was coincidental.

Alaska Airlines earlier this month told employees that it was considering requiring employees to be vaccinated against Covid but that it would only do so after one of the vaccines received full approval. Frontier Airlines said this month that employees have to be vaccinated or test regularly for Covid.

Delta, which has the fewest unionized employees of the large U.S. airlines, said it informed the Air Line Pilots Association, their aviators’ labor union, of the changes.

The Delta chapter of ALPA has repeatedly said vaccinations should be voluntary for its members.

The union “has consistently advocated to maintain the right of each individual pilot to consult with his or her medical provider regarding COVID-19 vaccinations or booster doses,” it said in a statement. “While the Delta [master executive council] respects Delta Air Line’s efforts to mitigate the impact of breakthrough COVID-19 variant infections, it needs to bargain with the Delta MEC over any employer-mandated vaccination for pilots.”

Airlines have been among the hardest-hit companies by the pandemic, and the rise of the Covid delta variant is already driving down a recent recovery in bookings, according to airlines including Southwest, American Airlines and Spirit.

Trust the Science? CDC Counts People Who Died Within 14 Days of Jab as “Unvaccinated”

https://newsrescue.com/trust-s...jab-as-unvaccinated/

A new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study is being used by mainstream media to fearmonger Americans into taking Covid vaccines.

Yahoo Finance published an article with the headline, “Unvaccinated LA residents were 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19: CDC study.”

Citing the Los Angeles County Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report released on Tuesday, even local news promoted the claim that “Unvaccinated L.A. County residents [are] 5 times more likely to get COVID, 29 times more likely to be hospitalized.”

Looking at a screenshot of the CDC release, one can observe the definitions for what they consider “fully vaccinated,” “partially vaccinated,” or “unvaccinated.”

According to the chart, “unvaccinated <14 days receipt of the first dose of a 2-dose series or 1 dose of the single-dose vaccine or if no vaccination registry data were available.”

This means if someone was hospitalized, admitted to ICU, required mechanical ventilation or died within two weeks of getting the jab they are being counted as “unvaccinated.”

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The Vaccinated Are Getting Sick at High Rates as Scientists Are Clueless As to Why

The Hell you say.

"Scientists Are Clueless"

When it comes to jumping the gun in this hyper-politicized global obscenity, yeah, you people can get pretty clueless.

The Earth is flat.

The Sun revolves around the Earth.

The Earth is the center of the Universe.

Rain follows the plow.

Bloodletting releases bad humours from the body.

I could go on, but you get the idea. All of these things were "known" to be true. Physicians took blood out of sick people, which made things worse and sometimes led to the patient's death. This was standard medical practice for centuries.

Oh, but it's different now, because we have chemical analysis and electron microscopes, right? No, it's not that simple, because humans are involved. Politics invades everything in the modern world. On top of that, the human race appears to have lost much of its courage. I guess that's what happens when we become spoiled by the fruits of the industrial revolution. Until very recently, life was very hard for most people. Death came visiting at any time. The things we take for granted, such as access to safe drinking water, were luxuries that some people never experienced in their lives.

We have become soft and we have lost much of our courage, and this ridiculous panic we find ourselves in has destroyed lives, destroyed economies and has taken away away some of our God-given liberties.

No, Mister Scientist, don't show me your diploma and tell me how you spent years in school. Clearly, it's not enough, because you keep getting this wrong. It's not even that your efforts are ineffective; it's worse than that. You are making people sicker, or more susceptible to sickness, and sometimes you kill people with your blind-ass guesses.

I wonder- what things which are now accepted as scientific fact will be found in the future to be false. It's happened all throughout human history but no longer, right? Because, well, we have all these gadgets and we've gained knowledge and we're just so much smarter than people of the past. Nope. No. We are moving through history. Tomorrow, today will be yesterday. If we were as smart as we think ourselves, we'd be humble and acknowledge what we don't know, and what we do know may not necessarily be true.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
A friend that works for Merck said they’re all required to have proof of vaccination by Nov 1st.

My employer is asking people to “register” if they have been vaccinated. Not mandatory but they are obviously trying to determine the potential impact if they make vaccinations mandatory.
A large percentage of our employees are engineers and in other professional fields. They can’t hire enough qualified people as it is.

I will retire a bit early if it gets to that.

My body, my choice, and all that.