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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
That's not good news for SD.

Yeah a friend in Georgia reminded me that when he moved there in '96 everyone he knew was conservative. Then there was an influx. Initial impressions were they were of like mind. But soon it was apparent they were being invaded by libtards changing the political landscape.

That's the fear here too. Thus far newbies have appeared to be right thinking. But as for the future... ????

And too, I enjoy our sparsely populated area. I don't want the congestion more people moving here will bring.

SD is on my remaining list of 4 states to visit. Going to try to get out there this summer. (which I think is only a few weeks long there )

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What if you e already had it? Still have to wear a mask? If you are no longer contagious, why the mask.....

Even more relevant, what if you get the vaccine? What if you have every form of "I got mine" documentation to show you've been inoculated? I'll bet any amount of money you'll still be forced to wear the government mandated muzzle. Because it makes people feel safer. What a crock of shit

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Even more relevant, what if you get the vaccine? What if you have every form of "I got mine" documentation to show you've been inoculated? I'll bet any amount of money you'll still be forced to wear the government mandated muzzle. Because it makes people feel safer. What a crock of shit

That's going to come up pretty soon, too. If it's established that vaccinated individuals aren't able to incubate and spread the virus asymptomatically (probably the case), it's going to be an even tougher sell on the mask wearing. Of course, having vaccine card police ("your papers") to see if you need to be wearing it doesn't sound great either.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What if you e already had it? Still have to wear a mask? If you are no longer contagious, why the mask.....

Even more relevant, what if you get the vaccine? What if you have every form of "I got mine" documentation to show you've been inoculated? I'll bet any amount of money you'll still be forced to wear the government mandated muzzle. Because it makes people feel safer. What a crock of shit

As has been the case all along, they don't know.

From the CDC Covid Vaccine FAQ website:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...ov/vaccines/faq.html

Q- Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact after receiving two doses of the vaccine?

A- Yes. Not enough information is currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19.

Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide in real-world conditions before making that decision. Other factors, including how many people get vaccinated and how the virus is spreading in communities, will also affect this decision. We also don’t yet know whether getting a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to other people, even if you don’t get sick yourself. CDC will continue to update this page as we learn more.

While experts learn more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide under real-life conditions, it will be important for everyone to continue using all the tools available to help stop this pandemic.

To protect yourself and others, follow these recommendations:

Wear a mask over your nose and mouth
Stay at least 6 feet away from others
Avoid crowds
Avoid poorly ventilated spaces
Wash your hands often
Together, COVID-19 vaccination and following CDC’s recommendations for how to protect yourself and others will offer the best protection from getting and spreading COVID-19.

They're already building the cover for continued mask wearing, panic and loss of rights.

There's an article in the paper this morning describing a new strain of Covid that's more contagious AND people may not be protected by previously having the virus or by being vaccinated with the current vaccines. They'll milk this for years to keep their restrictions in place.

I've been ignoring them from the beginning. I will continue to ignore them.

The whole COVID thing was actually a good thing. You see that there are those among us who will give not only their Liberty, but yours too, if they are convinced it will give them a little security. Many so called gun owners fell for the exact same tactics that the left wants to use to ban guns. The threat has to be scary enough. There is no "save grandpa" exemptions in the Constitution. No COVID exemption. All it has done is called out the lefties in our midst to serve their America hating masters.

Just say no.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I've been ignoring them from the beginning. I will continue to ignore them.

Bingo. This is the approach everyone needs to start taking.

And because no one seems to want to broach this question, I will. If CDC has documented a survivability rate of over 99% for the vast majority of the population (and it has), and that acquiring the antibodies from having and recovering from the virus (assuming you even develop 'any' symptoms) is a good thing, why are we hellbent retarded about preventing the spread through the general population that is not at risk? I realize common sense in is very short supply today, but it seems, at least to me, that almost everything being done to 'save' us is actually 'hurting' us.

The most dangerous virus in this country isn’t covid. It’s the regressives

So here's my experiences. I was in three confrontations in Costco in one day, in Richmond Va. My wife said your gonna get thrown out. I was in a confrontation in Walmart in Williamsburg Va. I was in a confrontation in Punta Gouda FL. Today in Potomac Mills Mall, which I haven't been in 20 years I had a young Asian woman pull her cell phone out of a baby carriage and start recording myself, my wife and grandchildren because I presume no one was wearing masks. I didn't notice it but my daughter did. My wife said she saw her pulling it out of the the stroller. I started to get pissed off but they were all telling me to let it go. So I did.
I started none of them, they came after me over masks.

Just pull out your phone and start recording her. She’ll leave once she has her trick played on her

We be doing fine down under ...

Minimal cases, mostly from returned travelers.
And as Melbourne is soon to host the Australian Open (tennis), more overseas travelers.

Of course, this is far from over ...

Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration, medical regulator), has provisionally approved Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine for use in Australia.
Rollout starts in late February.

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(source: www.theage.com.au)
The Pfizer vaccine comes with minor but common side effects, the TGA’s release documentation states.

More than 60 per cent of who get a jab will experience fatigue, more than 50 per cent will get a headache, more than 30 per cent will get muscle pain or chills and more than 20 per cent will have joint pain.

Most of these effects dissipate a few days after vaccination. Young people seem slightly more likely to have side effects compared with the elderly.

So far, the vaccine trials have tracked participants for only two months. However, the TGA’s vaccine experts believe nearly all serious vaccine side effects should show up after four weeks, so they are confident the vaccine has an acceptable level of safety.

Before the vaccine is released to health professionals, it will undergo batch testing at the TGA’s laboratories to check quality control.
(source: www.theage.com.au)
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Many of my friends and acquaintances have said that will line up when generally available.
Just like they have for the flu shot.

Does one need to have both, C-19 and flu jab?
No clear indication from Aussie health authorities yet.

If I want to travel, I'm going to need a negative test result; seems all airlines will adopt this policy?

What if one has a "vaccine passport"?
Is the negative test result an absolute?

Too many questions and issues.

--chris

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I am glad to hear it, but will note we also did better in summer. Whatever sunshine or vitamin D does to help apparently makes a difference. They don't call winter the cold and flu season for nothing. Hope all is this well once you get to your winter season.

Perhaps masks should be limited to people that are actually sick.

Forcing people who are not sick to wear a mask is simply making everyone assume that your sick when your not.

Perhaps a trial might be in order. I will wear your mask if you can prove I am sick.

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Originally posted by kr350psd:
I was in a confrontation in Punta Gouda FL.

I'm assuming Punta Gorda and on behalf of the rest of Charlotte County, I'm sorry you were accosted. Punta Gorda is the only city in Charlotte County and it seems to be full of people that like to tell others how to live. The County Board voted against a mask ordinance, so there is no legal requirement to wear one in Charlotte County. Punta Gorda voted for a mask ordinance.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
Perhaps masks should be limited to people that are actually sick.

Forcing people who are not sick to wear a mask is simply making everyone assume that your sick when your not.

Perhaps a trial might be in order. I will wear your mask if you can prove I am sick.

I don't care if people wear masks. If that makes them feel safer, fine. Hell, I don't care if they hide in their basements for the rest of their lives, but it's time they STFU & let the rest of us get on with our lives.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
I don't care if people wear masks. If that makes them feel safer, fine. Hell, I don't care if they hide in their basements for the rest of their lives, but it's time they STFU & let the rest of us get on with our lives.

I've thought that from the beginning. Let people buy N95s if that's what they want and worry about themselves. I spend my days 18" from unmasked patients while I work on their teeth. If my N95 is good enough there, it would certainly be good enough for someone passing unmasked in Home Depot.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
I don't care if people wear masks. If that makes them feel safer, fine. Hell, I don't care if they hide in their basements for the rest of their lives, but it's time they STFU & let the rest of us get on with our lives.

I've thought that from the beginning. Let people buy N95s if that's what they want and worry about themselves. I spend my days 18" from unmasked patients while I work on their teeth. If my N95 is good enough there, it would certainly be good enough for someone passing unmasked in Home Depot.

Funny thing. All the dentists & hygienists I've known in the last 40 or so years have worn masks while working on patients, yet our state closed dentist's offices down for months during the big shutdown last year.

State liquor stores & beer distributors were considered essential businesses & allowed to remain open. Ya' gotta' have your priorities, I guess.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:

Funny thing. All the dentists & hygienists I've known in the last 40 or so years have worn masks while working on patients, yet our state closed dentist's offices down for months during the big shutdown last year.

State liquor stores & beer distributors were considered essential businesses & allowed to remain open. Ya' gotta' have your priorities, I guess.

The rationale for shutting down dental and elective surgeries in March was to preserve PPE for the hospitals. I'm not sure it was a valid reason, but it wasn't based on transmission in the office.

Looks like Merck and Sanofi have discontinued/delayed C19 vaccine development citing an inability to safely develop an effective immune response.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/life...esponses/ar-BB1d4ip4