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Originally posted by slosig:
My freshman son was one of very few from his small high school graduating class to actually go to college. Most of the kids’ choices wimped out, some at the last minute, some months before the start of classes. A lot of the kids are taking gap years rather than do online BS. So far Montana State is hanging in there, but they are pointing to other schools that have shut down and asking the kids to be very careful. We’ll see how it goes...

My eldest two boys are at Syracuse and Virginia Military Institute. Both schools are currently open for in person classes. I hope both schools stay open. We will see.

this post relates to para's post above

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/08/...om-coronavirus-only/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated their website last week and disclosed

out of the 161,392 deaths in the CDC database,

just six percent (6%),

about 9,700 deaths,

were attributed to the coronavirus alone.

According to the CDC, the other 94 percent had an average of 2.6 additional conditions or causes of deaths, such as heart disease, diabetes, and sepsis.

The following is the top underlying medical conditions linked to coronavirus deaths according to CDC:

Influenza and pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Hypertensive disease
Diabetes
Vascular and unspecified dementia
Cardiac Arrest
Heart failure
Renal failure
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
Other medical conditions

Dr. David B Samadi MD, urologic oncology expert, and robotic surgeon commented on the CDC news via Twitter. “As a men’s health expert, many men have been affected by COVID-19. The CDC today revealed that only 6% of COVID deaths were in patients without existing comorbidities. 94% of the deaths were in cases with pre-existing conditions. This affects the entire public.”

The CDC report also explains that “they are based on death certificates, which are the most reliable source of data and contain information not available anywhere else, including comorbid conditions, race and ethnicity, and place of death.” The CDC defines comorbidity as having “more than one disease or condition … present in the same person at the same time. Conditions described as comorbidities are often chronic or long-term conditions. Other names to describe comorbid conditions are coexisting or co-occurring conditions and sometimes also ‘multimorbidity’ or ‘multiple chronic conditions’.”

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Originally posted by sdy:
this post relates to para's post above

HRK posted that same information 5 days ago on page 609 of this thread.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated their website last week and disclosed

out of the 161,392 deaths in the CDC database,

just six percent (6%),

about 9,700 deaths,

were attributed to the coronavirus alone.

What is needed to interpret this report is that the timing and duration of the co-existing diseases are not stated.
When completing a death certificate not only the coexisting medical conditions are reported but the timing and duration of the diseases with respect to the time of death. For instance, a person has a severe heart attack and dies. The death certificate might list 1) cardiac arrest 2) myocardial infarction 3) coronary artery disease 4) type II diabetes 5) hypertension. The timing of the conditions might be minutes for the cardiac arrest, days for the myocardial infarction, years for the coronary artery disease and decades for the hypertension and diabetes. The diabetes, hypertension and coronary artery disease were pre existing conditions that gave rise to the myocardial infarction. The myocardial infarction caused enough heart muscle death that the heart could no longer function adequately and death ensued.
Obviously people are not walking around with cardiac arrest as a pre existing condition (unless they were successfully resuscitated and the cause of the arrest treated). Cardiac arrest on a death certificate is usually the cause of death, the end result of some underlying disease process.
That 9,700 death certificates only listed Covid-19 implies that perhaps the people truly were 100% healthy or that they had undiagnosed additional medical conditions or (and almost by definition) the death certificates were not fully completed. Covid-19 infection leads to a cascade of pathophysiological conditions that if unable to be reversed leads to death. So, Covid-19 infection leading to viral pneumonia progressing to acute respiratory distress syndrome leading to hypoxia and then cardiac arrest. They are not doing post mortem exams on many if any of those 9,700 deaths.
I think what you can take away from this, which we already knew, if you were sick before you got Covid-19 you were going to have a harder time dealing with it and even if you are young and healthy, you may not do well with Covid-19 and a small percentage will die. What else we can take away, again which we already knew, is that the CDC is doing a very poor job handling this. Had they used the WHO Covid-19 test kit rather than deciding to make their own from scratch ( and having the first large batch unusable due to faulty reagents included with the tests) we could have recognized how rapidly this could spread and take measures to slow the spread and protect the vulnerable sooner. Had they not lied and just admitted when they didn't know the answers they would not have lost their credibility and there would be much less confusion and conspiracy theory.
Can hospitals lie about Covid-19 to get more medicare reimbursement? Yes but the consequence if caught could result in bankruptcy as well as jail time. If 25-30% of a hospitals revenue is medicare reimbursement and it is taken away as is done in Medicare Fraud cases, a hospital will go under. They are actively looking for medicare fraud, even before this pandemic. Believe me, I know from first hand experience ( a medical coder made a mistake, listing a procedure with a higher reimbursement than the procedure performed (flexible sigmoidoscopy instead of rigid sigmoidoscopy). I signed the discharge paperwork (before it had been coded by a medical coder) for my partner as he was off on sabbatical. They came after me even though I had not done the surgery or cared for the patient in question.
So what to do? Accept that some healthy people will die, protect the vulnerable as best you can and open up the economy and schools while working on vaccines and treatment. Protect vulnerable teachers or workers, allow them to work from home or contribute some other way.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Oak Ridge supercomputer analysis of COVID-19

That is an excellent article and very interesting. I’d love to see some more analysis cross referencing vitamin D deficiency amongst those with more severe Covid symptoms. While I’m still strongly in the camp that our response to Covid has been absurdly excessive, I do recognize that there have been some people who have been dramatically affected by this bug. I also would prefer that we concentrate more on treatment for Covid than a vaccine.

Right from the horses mouth.

Every now and then Fauci or someone else lets the truth slip out. So, how long before he comes back out to backtrack that admission?

I almost had an encounter with "karen" this afternoon at the local grocery. I was one of several folks not wearing a mask and at first thought she was talking to me. I heard something about "mask" from behind me and when I turned she was accosting some other guy who told her "ma'am get the fuck away from me". She looked like she just got slapped in the face.

I’m getting sick and tired of the crazy people here. And my area isn’t even that bad relatively speaking.

I’m considering renting a house if there are areas within driving distance where life is basically normal. No masks. No social distancing. Business as usual. May also scout retirement possibilities.

Any ideas what St George UT area is like now? Or any where in that area? What about someplace in Idaho?

Suburban life is fine. Just need good internet, upscale supermarket (I like cooking). And safe. Rent hopefully reasonable as I’ll be cash flow negative for this; maybe rent a house for 6 months?

Saw the stupidest damn thing, yesterday. Was over at a buddy's place for a Labor Day get-together. He lives near a sail club.

Watched a couple bringing their boat in. Damned if the idiots weren't wearing masks.

It was just the two of them out on the water all by themselves.

Wow

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Saw the stupidest damn thing, yesterday. Was over at a buddy's place for a Labor Day get-together. He lives near a sail club.

Watched a couple bringing their boat in. Damned if the idiots weren't wearing masks.

It was just the two of them out on the water all by themselves.

Wow

Yep, just as stupid as the woman I saw a couple weeks ago out kayaking by herself on a lake and wearing a mask.

To be fair, some people have been wearing masks before covid because of allergies. I have a friend who's been wearing masks while kayaking for seasonal allergies.

Covid related - stupid.

Allergies related - understandable.

Really interesting watching how local media is reporting the Corona outbreak in the homeless population of Anchorage. Every article and feature reports that those with positive results are being housed at, "An undisclosed location". The undisclosed location is a series of hotels the city has eased put to house them in quarantine.

Sounds like a smart idea to quarantine them and keep it from spreading. It's not, we refer t it as the, "Homeless Lottery". There are some of the homeless who are actively trying to get infected by the virus by sharing bottles, smokes and trading sexual favors with those who have positive results. They test positive they get a hotel room, 3 meals a day and cable tv for 2 weeks. We've had several come into the ER bragging about it.

That hasn't been reported.

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
Really interesting watching how local media is reporting the Cover outbreak in the homeless population of Anchorage. Every article and feature reports that those with positive results are being housed at, "An undisclosed location". The undisclosed location is a series of hotels the city has eased put to house them in quarantine.

Sounds like a smart idea to quarantine them and keep it from spreading. It's not, we refer t it as the, "Homeless Lottery". There are some of the homeless who are actively trying to get infected by the virus by sharing bottles, smokes and trading sexual favors with those who have positive results. They test positive they get a hotel room, 3 meals a day and cable tv for 2 weeks. We've had several come into the ER bragging about it.

That hasn't been reported.

That has to be great for commerce in the state, keeping out healthy visitors that have and want to spend their money in Alaska, and giving the homeless stays that we would have paid for Bite Me Alaska!!!

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Originally posted by wreckdiver:
That has to be great for commerce in the state, keeping out healthy visitors that have and want to spend their money in Alaska, and giving the homeless stays that we would have paid for Bite Me Alaska!!!

Please don't blame the State of Alaska for the idiotic antics from Anchorage's mayor.

Oh horseshit. Keep it up, fake media. Keep it up, cause every day more and more people aren't buying your shit.