I used to take Zantac and had a hard time findin Famotodine because of the Zantac recall. Now, we have the claim that it helps with COVID. Swell! TP is one thing, hoarding medicine that has questionable effects is quite another.

Follow the money on these research studies....

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It is a Proof of Concept study. That is important to keep in mind.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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It is a Proof of Concept study. That is important to keep in mind.

This is a very important statement about this article. PoC studies are normally done to see if a larger and more in depth clinical trial is warranted. They will need a much larger placebo controlled trial to make useful claims, for treating COVID-19, but this study is encouraging.

Best Regards,

Mike (Molecular Biologist/Immunologist)

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Follow the money on these research studies....

This one also is independent of any pharmaceutical company, etc.

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They will need a much larger placebo controlled trial to make useful claims, for treating COVID-19

Absolutely. However in this case it's less risky than hydroxychloroquine since both medicines are available OTC and many millions are already taking them daily anyway, albeit at slightly lesser doses. It's certainly not preventative so I agree - people stockpiling lots of it is silly. Which means it will surely happen.

Of course IANAD, YMMV, UAYOR, etc!

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Oh look!!! Somebody with a BALL SACK!!!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
"People are tired, they're wore out."

Way too much common sense for this period in history. And he's absolutely right. Central Florida, you know, the hotbed for the virus, reported last week that ER's were running at virtually the same volumes they were prior to any of this Rona BS. It's well past time to just stop it with all the BS, but since this is an election year, every single thing is going to be exploited to the max.

I guess Ohio has a lot of Karens:

Ohio police department asks public not to overwhelm dispatch with mask complaints

BEREA, Ohio (WJW) — With a new mask mandate for Ohio’s Cuyahoga County officially in effect, police are asking residents not to overwhelm the dispatch line with complaints about other people not wearing masks.

“Previous orders have been enforced by the Cuyahoga County Board of Health. There was mention at yesterday’s news conference that local law enforcement would enforce this order. Until we receive clarification and direct instruction on enforcement of this order, we can not respond to calls of this nature,” the department explained.

LINK: https://wgntv.com/news/ohio-po...ith-mask-complaints/

Australia/Victoria update:

Victoria back into a 6 week lockdown.

The (Victoria) State Premier made the decision as there was a sudden 'alarming' increases in positive cases.

A rona cluster linked to a school and a housing commission tower block.

No mask mandate for business yet.

Surrounding States have blocked borders to virus riddled Victorians. Fines and or imprisonment for Victorians 'caught' out being in another State you have no reason for.

The highways crossing points are now checkpoints. The byways are clogged with the school holidaying Victorians, getting around the checkpoints.

We maybe a complacent bunch, but the stupid is just as strong (bragging rights you know), and is out and about on the highways and by ways.

This time around, there is no sense of TP panic buying, though the media would have one believe otherwise.
Aussie stats:

Total cases: 9,059
Total deaths: 106
Cases recovered: 7,575
ICU cases: 10
Hospitalized: 45
Tested: 2,910,831
Positive rate: 0.3%

Age demographics: 20-29 females lead the cases.

(source: https://www.health.gov.au)

I've been stuck at home, "working" remotely all week. My job is too hands on for this shit.

I got swabbed on Monday after my potential exposure last Thursday. STILL no damn results back.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by parabellum:
"People are tired, they're wore out."

That's my Sheriff! Jonesy is a good guy.

Now from Alabama:
Alabama jail refuses inmates COVID-19 masks because ‘they’re going to eat them'

When Courtney Moore was arrested and taken to the Madison County jail, he was wearing a mask to help prevent the spread of coronavirus.

But the Huntsville police officers who took him into custody weren’t wearing masks, Moore said, and neither were the employees inside the county jail.

Once Moore, a 33-year-old Huntsville man, was booked into the jail, he said the staff confiscated his mask. Neither Moore nor the other inmates were given masks or allowed to wear their own, he said.

“It’s ridiculous,” said Moore, who was arrested on misdemeanor charges at a protest in Huntsville on June 28. “I was exposed to an unsafe condition. I think that is very, very irresponsible of them, knowing how important masks are, to continue to arrest people and put their health at risk.”

When Moore was arrested, the Madison County Sheriff’s Office, which operates the jail, had not reported any cases inside the facility. But late last week, Sheriff Kevin Turner confirmed in a news release that a jailer had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Jail employees, the sheriff said, would now be required to wear masks. A Huntsville police spokesman this week said officers are also now wearing masks. However, in most instances, Madison County inmates still aren’t being given masks or allowed to wear their own.

Brent Patterson, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, cited safety concerns among the reasons inmates aren’t allowed masks. Inmates could harm themselves or others with masks that have metal nose pieces, he said, while other masks that don’t have metal pieces could be tied together to make ropes.

“You give them face masks (with) a nose piece — metal pieces in them — they’re going to eat them,” he said. “They’re going to swallow them.”

If that happened, Patterson said, the public would question why inmates were given potentially dangerous weapons — face masks.

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Outside the walls of the jail, a coronavirus health order now requires most people in Madison County to wear face coverings in public. That order doesn’t appear to apply to the jail, which houses inmates arrested by the sheriff’s office, Huntsville and Madison police and other agencies in the county.

“Jails will have, as part of their mitigation plans for COVID 19, their own guidance regarding the wearing of face coverings or masks,” said Madison County Health Officer Karen Landers, who issued the local masking order. (NOTE THE NAME OF THE HEALTH OFFICER)

More of the story and LINK:

https://www.al.com/news/2020/0...ing-to-eat-them.html

Austin, TX, my once favorite city in America, has been absolutely decimated by Californian bitches for over a decade now. Who’d a thunk it? Today Austin passed some mask fine bullshit. You can be fined up to $2,000 if you don’t wear a mask in public by APD. Wow!

That Sheriff just said the funniest thing I have heard since all this shit began. Don’t call me, call the Health Department. Maybe they (Health Department) can put up a little yellah light on the top of their car and they can stop people LMFAO! Damn! Hahaha.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
You can be fined up to $2,000 if you don’t wear a mask in public by APD. Wow!

Any PD that's chickenshit enough to enforce these BS mandates 'should' be defunded.

Have a look before this is taken down:



https://youtu.be/wPs3_0vPv90

^^^Excellent video, thanks for posting.

Death By Policy

Mortality statistics show that many people have died from lockdown-related causes, not from Covid-19.

Many years ago, one of my duties as a young surgical intern was to fill out death certificates for recently deceased patients. Under “cause of death,” Part I asked for the immediate cause, other conditions leading to it, and the underlying cause. Part II asked for “other significant conditions contributing to death but not resulting in the underlying cause given in Part I.” If you think this is confusing, you’re right. Did the post-operative patient found dead in bed really die of a heart attack, a pulmonary embolism, or some operative complication, like bleeding? Where do you list their colon cancer or hypertension?

The task has not gotten any easier during the Covid-19 pandemic. People are still dying of heart disease, stroke, cancer, and accidents. But now there is a new respiratory illness to account for. Not every decedent who tested positive for the virus that causes Covid-19 died from it—in fact, the disease is mild for most people. Conversely, some deaths due to Covid-19 may be erroneously assigned to other causes of death because the people were never tested, and Covid-19 was not diagnosed. Nearly everyone dying of Covid-19 has concurrent health problems—the average decedent has 2.5 co-morbid conditions—and hypertension, heart disease, respiratory diseases, and diabetes are among the most common. The presence and interaction of these co-morbid conditions is what sometimes changes Covid-19 from a relatively benign disease into a killer. But co-morbidities can also cause death regardless of Covid-19.

A common way to distinguish the mortality burden of a new infectious agent from other causes of death is to estimate the excess deaths that occurred beyond what would be expected if the pathogen had not circulated. A recent study of 48 states and the District of Columbia estimated 122,300 excess deaths during the pandemic period of March 1 to May 30, compared with expected deaths calculated from the previous five years. Deaths officially attributed to Covid-19 accounted for 78 percent of the total; approximately 27,000 deaths (22 percent) were not attributed to Covid-19. A second study, using the same database with different statistical methods for the period March 1 to April 25, found that 65 percent of 87,000 excess deaths were attributed to Covid-19.

Only part of the discrepancy between excess deaths and official Covid deaths results from undercounting of Covid deaths. In New York City, when excess deaths between March 11 (the first recorded Covid-19 death) and May 2 were examined, only 57 percent had laboratory-confirmed Covid-19. Yet when probable deaths—deaths for which Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2, or an equivalent term was listed on the death certificate as an immediate, underlying, or contributing cause of death, but that did not have laboratory confirmation of Covid-19—were added in, 22 percent of excess deaths were still not attributed to Covid-19.

The indirect effect of the pandemic—deaths caused by the social and economic responses to the pandemic, including lockdowns—appears to explain the balance. For instance, people delayed needed medical care because they were instructed to shelter in place, were too scared to go to the doctor, or were unable to obtain care because of limitations on available care, including a moratorium on elective procedures.

Inpatient admissions nationwide in VA hospitals, the nation’s largest hospital system, were down 42 percent for six emergency conditions—stroke, myocardial infarction (MI), heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, appendicitis, and pneumonia—during six weeks of the Covid-19 pandemic (March 11 to April 21) compared with the six weeks immediately prior (January 29 to March 10). The drop was significant for all six conditions and ranged from a decrease of 40 percent for MI to 57 percent for appendicitis. No such decrease in admissions was found for the same six-week period in 2019. These emergency conditions did not become any less lethal as a result of the pandemic; rather, people simply died from acute illnesses that would have been treated in normal times.

Deaths from chronic, non-emergent conditions also increased as patients put off maintenance visits and their medical conditions deteriorated. In the second study of excess deaths, the five states with the most Covid-19 deaths from March through April (Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania), experienced large proportional increases in deaths from non-respiratory underlying causes, including diabetes (96 percent), heart diseases (89 percent), Alzheimer’s disease (64 percent), and cerebrovascular diseases (35 percent). New York City—the nation’s Covid-19 epicenter during that period—experienced the largest increases in non-respiratory deaths, notably from heart disease (398 percent) and diabetes (356 percent).

Cancer diagnoses were delayed for months as patients were unable to obtain “elective” screening procedures. For some, this will result in more advanced disease. Diagnosed cancer cases—normally treated with surgery or inpatient medical treatments—were treated with outpatient treatments instead. While some oncologists rationalized that the results might be just as good, physicians were clearly deviating from the standard of care.

The lockdowns led to wide unemployment and economic recession, resulting in increased drug and alcohol abuse and increases in domestic abuse and suicides. Most studies in a systematic literature review found a positive association between economic recession and increased suicides. Data from the 2008 Great Recession showed a strong positive correlation between increasing unemployment and increasing suicide in middle aged (45–64) people. Ten times as many people texted a federal government disaster mental-distress hotline in April 2020 as in April 2019.

As we consider how to deal with resurgent numbers of Covid cases, we must acknowledge that mitigation measures like shelter-in-place and lockdowns appear to have contributed to the death toll. The orders were issued by states and localities in late March; excess deaths peaked in the week ending April 11. Reopening began in mid-April, and by May 20 all states that had imposed orders started to lift restrictions. In June, as the economy continued reopening, excess deaths waned.

Our focus must be on ensuring that the health-care system can simultaneously treat Covid-19 and other maladies and reassuring patients that it is safe to seek care. Otherwise, today’s young physicians will have to start entering a new cause of death on death certificates—“public policy.”

Joel Zinberg, M.D., J.D., is an associate clinical professor of surgery at the Mount Sinai Icahn School of Medicine in New York and was general counsel and senior economist at the Council of Economic Advisers 2017–2019, where he specialized in health policy. The views expressed here are his own.

https://www.city-journal.org/d...of-lockdown-policies

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Good article. Thank you for posting.