^^^^^^^

That is referring to antibody testing to detect past infection, not the PCR test that is used to detect current infection.

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
I looked a few pages back and did not see this. If I missed it my apologies.
An article from a NJ news station (NJ 101.5) I used to listen to.
This could explain a lot about some of the spikes some states are seeing due to the massive increase in testing.

Can you test positive for coronavirus exposure with a cold? (Opinion)
Bill Spadea
June 30, 2020

https://nj1015.com/can-you-tes...ZMX9dveQCepHgB6SBqqc

That article is talking about antibody testing which is completely different from the testing being done to see if a person is currently infected and therefore has nothing to do with the spikes in cases.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
I looked a few pages back and did not see this. If I missed it my apologies.
An article from a NJ news station (NJ 101.5) I used to listen to.
This could explain a lot about some of the spikes some states are seeing due to the massive increase in testing.

Can you test positive for coronavirus exposure with a cold? (Opinion)
Bill Spadea
June 30, 2020

https://nj1015.com/can-you-tes...ZMX9dveQCepHgB6SBqqc

That article is talking about antibody testing which is completely different from the testing being done to see if a person is currently infected and therefore has nothing to do with the spikes in cases.

Thanks.
The first two sentences kind of contradict The statement in quotes right below it so it is confusing.

The second sentence says a spike in positive may be from having a cold,
then the quotes talk about antibodies possibly from the common cold.

There might be a spike in cases but what will be more important is if there is a spike in mortality? If not then as the number of cases increase but the mortality rate stays the same it decreases this will end up being just another flu bug

But I’m curious to know how many people died from influenza and pneumonia this year.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

But I’m curious to know how many people died from influenza and pneumonia this year.

Moreover, I'd like to compare all total deaths from previous years to this year.

Anyway, the death rate will absolutely nose dive since the majority of current cases are young people. And frankly, young healthy people have a mortality rate of practically zero with this chicom virus.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
That article is talking about antibody testing which is completely different from the testing being done to see if a person is currently infected and therefore has nothing to do with the spikes in cases.

You are right, of course. However, do you believe for one second that the wonderful folks trying to scare everyone out of their wits won’t add every single positive antibody test to the count of cases? You can almost see the logic: If the antibody tests are accurate and there are not false positives, then every positive antibody test indicates another case (at least if the person wasn’t tested before). It may well be an already resolved case, but it is a case.

I haven’t looked at the counts in a long time. I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that they are nothing but a pile of lies, so why bother paying any attention to them?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

But I’m curious to know how many people died from influenza and pneumonia this year.

Moreover, I'd like to compare all total deaths from previous years to this year.

Anyway, the death rate will absolutely nose dive since the majority of current cases are young people. And frankly, young healthy people have a mortality rate of practically zero with this chicom virus.

That is an interesting statistic of course (total deaths) and would help adjust for some of the lies.

At the end of the day though, I’m convinced that the lifetime mortality rate is 100%. Everybody dies. Not everybody lives. I’m more concerned with living than dying. Dying will happen and nothing I can do will stop it. I am in no hurry to hasten it, but I refuse to hide under the couch and avoid living for fear of dying.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
I looked a few pages back and did not see this. If I missed it my apologies.
An article from a NJ news station (NJ 101.5) I used to listen to.
This could explain a lot about some of the spikes some states are seeing due to the massive increase in testing.

Can you test positive for coronavirus exposure with a cold? (Opinion)
Bill Spadea
June 30, 2020

https://nj1015.com/can-you-tes...ZMX9dveQCepHgB6SBqqc

That article is talking about antibody testing which is completely different from the testing being done to see if a person is currently infected and therefore has nothing to do with the spikes in cases.

If for nothing else, can we please dear god get our terminology and focus right and stop listening to the retards in the media who have but one goal in life regarding the WooFlu...scaring the hell out of people.

Positive 'test results' is not the same thing as 'cases' of KungFlu, no matter how much the media tell us it is. Ask a doctor if he gives a damn about the testing totals. Then ask them if he cares about actual 'cases' of the bug, most often meaning hospitalization. The terms are 'not' synonymous. Testing positive means virtually nothing if the person never develops symptoms, and only slightly more than nothing if they develop mild symptoms and recover without any medical assistance. The 'only' meaningful stats on this bug are the total number of hospitalizations versus the total number of available hospital beds (i.e. treatment capacity), and the number and trend of deaths specifically attributable to the virus. Hypothetically, if you had a million people test positive, yet not one of them had to be hospitalized and/or died from the virus, would we really care much about this? Of course not. All the gloom and doom bullshit and hyperventilating is just that...bullshit. Ignore it and tell the politicians to shove their commentary and their stupid public orders.

Honestly, I hadn't thought about the definition of "case" as it related to having a disease. In my mind, a new positive test result would be a confirmed case of the Vid as opposed to someone showing symptoms but not yet having been tested might be considered a suspected case. A person might be a probable case if say lung xrays matched patterns of confirmed cases.

Otherwise yes, just showing the one cumulative number serves only to scare people. I tend to focus on how many new positive tests for the last two weeks and subtract out the current cases in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. For example, using the by county data Florida has provided, there may have been 150 new positive tests in my county, but 60 current cases in nursing homes. That tells me there are roughly 90 wandering around my county that are known to have it. All of these people should be staying home, unless of course they are hospitalized. Let's assume half of these people are out and about. That would be 45 out of 160,000 people in my county that I would have to be in close proximity for 15 minutes or more to get enough of the virus to become infected.

I'll take my chances because: one, the chance of my even bumping into these people is slim. Two, when I'm going about my daily business, there are very few people that I spend 15 minutes with. Three, I'm in an age group that has like a 99.9% survival rate. Four, I don't have any other health factors which raises my survival rate to like 99.999%.

But yeah, I'm an uncaring, irrational imbecile because I don't wear a mask.

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But yeah, I'm an uncaring, irrational imbecile because I don't wear a mask

You’re also more likely to bump into a hot nymphomaniac with low standards than you are one of those 45 people.

Good luck!

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Positive 'test results' is not the same thing as 'cases' of KungFlu, no matter how much the media tell us it is. Ask a doctor if he gives a damn about the testing totals. Then ask them if he cares about actual 'cases' of the bug, most often meaning hospitalization. The terms are 'not' synonymous. Testing positive means virtually nothing if the person never develops symptoms, and only slightly more than nothing if they develop mild symptoms and recover without any medical assistance. The 'only' meaningful stats on this bug are the total number of hospitalizations versus the total number of available hospital beds (i.e. treatment capacity), and the number and trend of deaths specifically attributable to the virus. Hypothetically, if you had a million people test positive, yet not one of them had to be hospitalized and/or died from the virus, would we really care much about this? Of course not. All the gloom and doom bullshit and hyperventilating is just that...bullshit. Ignore it and tell the politicians to shove their commentary and their stupid public orders.

I agree with your general sentiment but your language is imprecise.

A positive antibody test does mean something. It means someone was exposed to the virus. If they never got sick or they got mildly ill and recovered on their own, then it is likely something to celebrate. They may well be immune going forward, and contributing to herd immunity. If so, this is good news, the exact opposite of how the Lame Stream Media is trying to portray it.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I agree with your general sentiment but your language is imprecise.

I'm going to agree to disagree on that point. Positive 'tests' are not 'cases'. Tests become cases when a doctor opens a patient file and diagnosis and treatment is rendered. Someone who 'tests' positive and either is asymptomatic or recovers at home with no medical assistance is not a 'case'. And no one to date is even attempting to track those numbers, which by all indications are significant.

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Originally posted by slosig:
They may well be immune going forward, and contributing to herd immunity. If so, this is good news, the exact opposite of how the Lame Stream Media is trying to portray it.

Bingo. Now ya got it. And I'm going to once again point out the hypocrisy/dishonesty of the media and the political garbage when two weeks ago they not only didn't give a damn about tens of thousands of people out and about not practicing social distancing while they were burning, beating, and looting, you know, protesting , but they actually promoted and encouraged it.
Now a jump in positive 'tests' (not deaths or a major jump in hospitalizations) has the same filth telling us we need to wear a hazmat suit in public or not to go out. Forgive me, but 'F' them.

Fauci needs to go.....

Random hookups are ok using a dating app, but going to bar is bad. This guy is the epitome of “Swamp” sorry he talks it of four sides of his mouth.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/...g-to-bars-right-now/

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Someone who 'tests' positive and either is asymptomatic or recovers at home with no medical assistance is not a 'case'. And no one to date is even attempting to track those numbers, which by all indications are significant.

Exactly this...when figures were released here a few days ago, half of all deaths were in nursing/care facilities and there was a huge a difference between what they called positive cases and recovered cases statewide.. Subtracting the two left over 22,000 people presumed to be sick, yet nothing was given about on how many of those were actually ill versus no symptoms. If only a small percentage of those are actually ill and being treated, then obviously things are not as dire as these jackasses want us to believe. The constant lies, hiding of information, inflating numbers, etc. makes everything they say untrustworthy.

This may sound strange but has anyone else noticed a shortage of bicycles and free weights?

The local Trek store that I go to sent an email a couple months ago saying that they were closing for two days in order to catch up on service work and to restock. Whenever we go to a store such as Walmart or target, the shelves for bikes are nearly empty.

I’m planning on a road bike this summer. Hope it will be in stock. But I think I’ll be okay because it’s not a typical off the shelf bike for $200.

I suspect when the media finds something else to put fear into people, we are going to see some good deals on bikes and exercise equipment. Saw some assholes trying to charge $3-4 per pound for free weights.

Indeed...bikes are hard to come by.

Local bike shop had exactly 1 bike in stock when I went to pick up some inner tubes...a small yellow carbon fiber (Trek I think) road bike.

There was a rack full of bikes awaiting or post repair (like 30??) and had a sign on the door "No longer accepting repairs"

A friend ordered a couple mountain bikes back in May...first arrives June, second in October.

I myself have been riding 3-4 times a week as gyms are still closed in NC (thanks Boy Stupor, I mean Roy Cooper) and I dont like walking as a form of exercise (hiking for fun and scenery or walking across some city I'm visiting and sightseeing, all day).

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Originally posted by Edmond:
This may sound strange but has anyone else noticed a shortage of bicycles and free weights?

The local Trek store that I go to sent an email a couple months ago saying that they were closing for two days in order to catch up on service work and to restock. Whenever we go to a store such as Walmart or target, the shelves for bikes are nearly empty.

I’m planning on a road bike this summer. Hope it will be in stock. But I think I’ll be okay because it’s not a typical off the shelf bike for $200.

I suspect when the media finds something else to put fear into people, we are going to see some good deals on bikes and exercise equipment. Saw some assholes trying to charge $3-4 per pound for free weights.

Nailed it.

Media whores too stupid or too corrupt to report "positive test result doesn't equal sick person" and zero talk of WHO report that asymptomatic spread is extremely rare.

You notice how the media aren't talking about studies like the Stanford or USC ones from a couple month back where they tested thousands of people and 30-50 times more people tested positive for it for the 'Rona than actually "had" the disease ?

Or that any similar studies have such been reported?

None of these actual data or facts fits the "end is near unless you do what we say" narrative.


Cool site I found, created by the inventor to Instagram. Tracks the infection rate (Rt) by state.

If Rt is lower than 1, infections are declining. If Rt > 1, its increasing

https://rt.live

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Positive 'test results' is not the same thing as 'cases' of KungFlu, no matter how much the media tell us it is. Ask a doctor if he gives a damn about the testing totals. Then ask them if he cares about actual 'cases' of the bug, most often meaning hospitalization. The terms are 'not' synonymous. Testing positive means virtually nothing if the person never develops symptoms, and only slightly more than nothing if they develop mild symptoms and recover without any medical assistance. The 'only' meaningful stats on this bug are the total number of hospitalizations versus the total number of available hospital beds (i.e. treatment capacity), and the number and trend of deaths specifically attributable to the virus. Hypothetically, if you had a million people test positive, yet not one of them had to be hospitalized and/or died from the virus, would we really care much about this? Of course not. All the gloom and doom bullshit and hyperventilating is just that...bullshit. Ignore it and tell the politicians to shove their commentary and their stupid public orders.

I agree with your general sentiment but your language is imprecise.

A positive antibody test does mean something. It means someone was exposed to the virus. If they never got sick or they got mildly ill and recovered on their own, then it is likely something to celebrate. They may well be immune going forward, and contributing to herd immunity. If so, this is good news, the exact opposite of how the Lame Stream Media is trying to portray it.

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Someone who 'tests' positive and either is asymptomatic or recovers at home with no medical assistance is not a 'case'.

By both dictionary and medical definition, a person who tests positive for SARS-CoV-2 is a case. Medical treatment or attention is not a requirement to be considered a case. From the CDC case definition for COVID-19 ( Link ):

"Laboratory Criteria
Laboratory evidence using a method approved or authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or designated authority:

Confirmatory laboratory evidence:
Detection of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 ribonucleic acid (SARS-CoV-2 RNA) in a clinical specimen using a molecular amplification detection test"

I think it's fair to assume that after two weeks those who have tested positive and were asymptomatic or stayed at home without medical treatment have recovered.

Interestingly, the CDC case definition also includes people who have tested positive for antibodies as cases. This means I was wrong and the article 71 TRUCK posted as a possible reason for the spike in cases applies. The article said antibody testing may pick up antibodies for other coronaviruses and thus may not be accurate for this coronavirus.

Rt COVID-19
https://rt.live/
Interesting...
Most of the places, like in the Northeast, that have already had a lot of 'cases' now have a lower Rt < 1.
I see that as more good news. The current "hot spots" won't be hot for long.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
This may sound strange but has anyone else noticed a shortage of bicycles and free weights?

I work in this industry. And you are not wrong. Overall bicycle sales, nationwide, jumped 75% in April.

Drill down to statewide, and some stores were completely closed, but in places like FL, where the weather was really, really nice in April and the stores were open, it was not uncommon for a store to report triple their normal sales volume in April. May was the same. June has continued to be the same.

If you walk into a random store and ask for a $750 mountain bike, you are likely to get laughed out the door. They are being produced as fast as possible, they are being airfreighted over, but there is no way the system can keep up with this demand.