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When will the coronavirus arrive in the US? (Disease: COVID-19; Virus: SARS-CoV-2)

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May 11, 2020, 02:04 PM
bobtheelf
When will the coronavirus arrive in the US? (Disease: COVID-19; Virus: SARS-CoV-2)
quote:
Originally posted by PowerSurge:

You’ve contradicted yourself based on your post stream which is too long to requote.


Try.
May 11, 2020, 02:06 PM
PowerSurge
^^^ Don’t need to. There for everyone to see.


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May 11, 2020, 02:13 PM
mutedblade
quote:
Originally posted by bobtheelf:
Food shortages, rampant unemployment, stagnant economy and perpetual misery is not a side effect of taking reasonable precautions to not infect others when you're sick and wearing the damned mask.


Sure it is. The country is at a standstill right now, or haven't you been paying attention. Wearing a mask has done nothing to curb the Wu Flu. Don't you realize that China and most other Asian countries wear masks regularly and have since at least the early 2000's when the first SARS cases hit. If the masks stopped the spread, then how did it get here? The fear of the Wu Flu and the amount of pushback from those like yourself to not reopen the country have all but crippled us.

"Reasonable precautions"? Sounds like good ol' fashioned "common sense gun control measures" It's funny how people fall for simple words that have no meaning.


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May 11, 2020, 02:13 PM
CPD SIG
quote:
Originally posted by 2012BOSS302:
After Treating Barely Any Patients for a Massive $7.5 Million Each, 16 Emergency COVID Hospitals Are Standing Down

At a cost of $7.5 million a patient, they were 16 very expensive field hospitals.

Yet, according to NPR, those hospitals are now “stand[ing] down.”

You probably remember them from headlines early in the pandemic: makeshift medical centers being assembled at breakneck speed by companies contracted by the Army Corps of Engineers in anticipation of dealing with a massive influx of COVID-19 patients in our nation’s emergency rooms.

At SUNY Stony Brook on New York’s Long Island, $155.5 million was spent on a temporary hospital which, according to New York Newsday, saw “five massive field hospital tents” put up. The maximum beds under contract was 1,038.

To the west on Long Island, another $118.5 million was spent putting up another field hospital at SUNY Old Westbury. Neither have yet to see a single patient. Newsday reported the decision was made not to staff or fully equip the sites in mid-April when the predicted need for hospital beds never materialized.

In Denver, a field hospital at the Colorado Convention Center was supposed to have up to 2,000 beds and open in late April. On April 20, The Denver Post reported the facility wouldn’t be ready until May 15 and would have “about 600 beds.” On Thursday, KUSA-TV reported it would open June 4 and hold 200 beds.

Cost: $34.6 million. Patients seen so far: 0.

These were just some of the quick-hospital projects that were arranged for the cost of over $660 million to taxpayers, according to NPR, which analyzed federal spending records. They looked at over 30 projects that received money; 17 of these projects were listed in their report on the program.

One of them, the facility at New York City’s Javits Center, was an outlier. Costing $11.4 million, it cumulatively treated 1,095 patients. This, by the way, was nowhere near its capacity of 1,900 beds.

The other 16 field hospitals, which cost a total of $615 million, treated just 82 patients during the time they were open — the ones that opened at all, that is.

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“We really wanted to make sure that we were maintaining some of the physical infrastructure that has been built there. So that should we need it, it doesn’t take us a long time to potentially turn that back on,” said Allison Arwady, Chicago’s public health commissioner.

Whether or not they ever need to be reopened is a totally different question. Based on what we’ve seen thus far, the answer is likely no.

Given that, this was a waste of resources,

https://www.westernjournal.com...lypm&utm_content=ttp



Walsh Construction (a VERY politically connected construction company) did the build with the Corps of Engineers at Mc Cormack Place here in Chicago.
Originally there were 3000 beds.
Then it was scaled back to 1000 a few weeks ago.

No more than a total of 20 patients.

GREAT ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND MONEY!!!

(I hate to stand here on a soap box and preach, but THANKFULLY there were only 20 patients, and not the thousands expected)


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May 11, 2020, 02:16 PM
Graniteguy
A few things to ponder:

I was under the impression that most people in China wear masks due to excessive levels of pollutants and toxins in their cities - not because of fear of viral infection?

If you are sick enough to think you should put on a mask - why are you out in public in the first place?
May 11, 2020, 02:23 PM
mutedblade
quote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
A few things to ponder:

I was under the impression that most people in China wear masks due to excessive levels of pollutants and toxins in their cities - not because of fear of viral infection?

If you are sick enough to think you should put on a mask - why are you out in public in the first place?


Which is my point about the masks. If everyone wears one but people still get sick, what's the point? According to the "mask up, save a life" crew, that shouldn't have happened.


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May 11, 2020, 02:27 PM
parabellum
I was just at the grocery store. Perhaps it was a fluke, but there were fewer people wearing masks, including four of five giggling high school girls crowded together in the checkout line.
May 11, 2020, 02:31 PM
IntrepidTraveler
quote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
And the officer with whom I agreed and spoke too much common sense was fired.


Saw that one coming. And Seattle - it was a no-brainer. I do highly admire his willingness to stand up for his convictions.




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May 11, 2020, 02:33 PM
mrw
quote:
Originally posted by mutedblade:
quote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
A few things to ponder:

I was under the impression that most people in China wear masks due to excessive levels of pollutants and toxins in their cities - not because of fear of viral infection?

If you are sick enough to think you should put on a mask - why are you out in public in the first place?


Which is my point about the masks. If everyone wears one but people still get sick, what's the point? According to the "mask up, save a life" crew, that shouldn't have happened.


And then there is this, Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients


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May 11, 2020, 02:41 PM
mutedblade
Anybody wishing to test the effectiveness of their masks needs to hop in a car with my uncle Ricky after he eats his daily 7-11 big bite hotdog with jalapenos and a few beers. I'll guarantee you'll be gagging and reaching for the window switch because it ain't doing shit to stop anything Eek


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May 11, 2020, 02:47 PM
side_shot
if your sick the worst thing you can do is where a mask all those germs and sickness building up in your hello kitty cloth mask


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May 11, 2020, 02:50 PM
Edmond
Just canceled my Costco membership. The girl over the phone said I wasn’t the only one.


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May 11, 2020, 02:59 PM
RHINOWSO
quote:
Originally posted by bobtheelf:
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
or maybe you don't care about anyone but yourself.

That's rich coming from someone who would refuse to wear a mask when sick, thereby risking the health of others for their own feelings.

If you wore a full burka, you wouldn't have to worry about it, because then you'd be "safe".

And so would others.

So, just be safe and put on the burka. Make your wife and family wear one too.

Just. Burka.
May 11, 2020, 03:12 PM
HRK
quote:
Originally posted by bobtheelf:
Actually, if I'm sick I won't be going out. That's what I usually do. And guess what? If you don't go out you don't need to wear a mask. Problem solved.

For what it's worth, I've always appreciated how in many countries it's perfectly normal to wear a mask during illness. It's considered respectful of others, and it's probably contributed to the lower impact of this particular virus in those countries.


Studies show Flatulence spreads COVID19

So you'll be wearing adult depends now, to protect the rest of us from exposure to your continual spread of bovine viral excrement? Big Grin
May 11, 2020, 03:15 PM
bobtheelf
quote:
Originally posted by mutedblade:

Sure it is. The country is at a standstill right now, or haven't you been paying attention. Wearing a mask has done nothing to curb the Wu Flu. Don't you realize that China and most other Asian countries wear masks regularly and have since at least the early 2000's when the first SARS cases hit. If the masks stopped the spread, then how did it get here? The fear of the Wu Flu and the amount of pushback from those like yourself to not reopen the country have all but crippled us.


No one said anything about "stopping" it completely. And don't put words in my mouth about reopening. I haven't said a word about that. We never should have shut down in the first place.

quote:

"Reasonable precautions"? Sounds like good ol' fashioned "common sense gun control measures" It's funny how people fall for simple words that have no meaning.


Reasonable precautions when it comes to guns are the four basic safety rules. We expect that if you own a gun that you treat it as if it's loaded, you don't point it at anything without good reason, you keep your booger hook off the trigger until you are ready to fire, and you know your target and what is beyond it.

Look, my opinion on masks is predicted on two very simple premises:

1) If you are sick, you should take reasonable precautions to not infect other people.

2) Given that airborne droplets are a major vector with this respiratory virus that causes coughing, wearing a mask to reduce the airborne droplets you expel is reasonable.

Stop arguing straw men.
May 11, 2020, 03:17 PM
bobtheelf
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

If you wore a full burka, you wouldn't have to worry about it, because then you'd be "safe".

And so would others.

So, just be safe and put on the burka. Make your wife and family wear one too.

Just. Burka.


It's not about me being safe. It's about me not increasing the risk of others if I'm sick.
May 11, 2020, 03:18 PM
bobtheelf
quote:
Originally posted by HRK:


Studies show Flatulence spreads COVID19

So you'll be wearing adult depends now, to protect the rest of us from exposure to your continual spread of bovine viral excrement? Big Grin


Well I don't go out without pants either.
May 11, 2020, 03:20 PM
46and2
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The other 16 field hospitals, which cost a total of $615 million, treated just 82 patients during the time they were open — the ones that opened at all, that is.

Disgusting. Absolutely fucking disgusting.
May 11, 2020, 03:41 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by midwest guy:
And Allan the promiscuous poster is back.


Oh promiscuous indeed. And I don't wear [face] protection either!


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May 11, 2020, 03:44 PM
sigspecops
In my 52 years I have never heard anyone mention “staying safe” or keeping other people safe when talking about a virus or any other illness until the Wu Flu came around. People would just say do this or that to keep from getting sick or infected. The word safe was never used but now through words, public perception of an illness is changed. “Stay home and don’t get sick” doesn’t provoke the same kinds of fearful reactions as “Stay home, stay safe” or “Keep grandma safe”. Those phrases imply that there’s a terrible danger on the loose out there and if you’re caught outside...it’s over you’re dead. It just seems like silly, overwrought and contrived nonsense when the idea should be to keep from getting sick, not staying safe. There’s a difference.


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