^^^Better not even think about going into the gardening section at Lowe's. We all know growing food to eat is not important for life.

Did they do away with the restrictions on growing vegetables yet?

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The order does not prohibit gardening or the sale of any particular product in Michigan. Stores in Michigan larger than 50,000 square feet must close areas for garden centers and plant nurseries, as well as those that sell carpet or flooring, furniture and paint.

Again we have a poorly written governmental directive.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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The order does not prohibit gardening or the sale of any particular product in Michigan. Stores in Michigan larger than 50,000 square feet must close areas for garden centers and plant nurseries, as well as those that sell carpet or flooring, furniture and paint.

Again we have a poorly written governmental directive.

Just googled it. Seed ban reversed.

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Originally posted by frayedends:
Some god news in Massachusetts. A judge declared gun stores must be opened. Basically said our governor’s closure put an undue burden on constitutional rights.

Damn, I didn’t realize some of you were in that boat still.

Dictator Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania tried that shit on March 19 and was forced to allow gun stores to re-open by April 1 or so. They are appointment-only at this time but we were able to resume buying guns. I bought a Kel-Tec PF9 the next day as a big fuck-you to him.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by frayedends:
Some god news in Massachusetts. A judge declared gun stores must be opened. Basically said our governor’s closure put an undue burden on constitutional rights.

Damn, I didn’t realize some of you were in that boat still.

Dictator Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania tried that shit on March 19 and was forced to allow gun stores to re-open by April 1 or so. They are appointment-only at this time but we were able to resume buying guns. I bought a Kel-Tec PF9 the next day as a big fuck-you to him.

It’s shocking we got even this far in the court battle. Ranges are still closed. The judge said he doesn’t know enough about them to make a decision yet. Nevertheless there are still outrageous restrictions on gun stores. Only by appointment and only 4 customers per hour being the most restrictive part.

^^^Only 4 Customers per hour! They believe they can regulate the sales volume of an Constitutionally protected and essential right!!

I'll say it again....Just who do these Massholes think they are? What a FUCKED UP state!!!

I'm currently on hold with Home Depot checking the status of an online order. The recorded message loop is instructing me how to correctly maintain social distancing and what to do if I need to sneeze. Good god, there is simply no escape from the nanny state.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Only 4 Customers per hour! They believe they can regulate the sales volume of an Constitutionally protected and essential right!!

I'll say it again....Just who do these Massholes think they are? What a FUCKED UP state!!!

Those MA people are importing their twisted values and politics over the border into NH - it will only be a matter of time given the fact that we keep voting these people into office here in NH. Sununnu has done a good job for us as Governor but he is fighting an uphill battle every day.

I debated whether to start a new thread on the mental health effects of social distancing and the quarantine.
Thus far there has been little discussion beyond the frustration at the various pronouncements by Governors who seem enchanted with their own power.

I did note that liquor sales nationwide have doubled since the lockdown. I suspect working from home for some people involves enjoying their cocktails all day long. Domestic violence calls are way up according to police. Compulsive handwashing for some has escalated as fear of catching the virus is constantly mentioned. Isolation for those in nursing homes was already a problem, and now no visitors.
People are also missing regular checkups for cancer followup and the like.

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I debated whether to start a new thread on the mental health effects of social distancing and the quarantine.

Perhaps this thread?

How is everyone doing mentally/emotionally with the COVID situation?
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...35/m/7620097764/p/23

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Only 4 Customers per hour! They believe they can regulate the sales volume of an Constitutionally protected and essential right!!

I'll say it again....Just who do these Massholes think they are? What a FUCKED UP state!!!

Those MA people are importing their twisted values and politics over the border into NH - it will only be a matter of time given the fact that we keep voting these people into office here in NH. Sununnu has done a good job for us as Governor but he is fighting an uphill battle every day.

I feel your pain. I am seeing a ton of CA plates parked in driveways here in Utah. They all want to bring the libtard shit they're running from with them. I was hoping UT drinking laws would keep them out. No luck on that one. Oh, we haven't had draconian lock down laws but let this shit happen ten years from now and it will be a different story.

[quote]Perhaps this thread?

How is everyone doing mentally/emotionally with the COVID situation?
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...20097764/p/23[/quote
^^^
So noted. I have a tendency not to notice threads when they are not on page one.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I debated whether to start a new thread on the mental health effects of social distancing and the quarantine.
Thus far there has been little discussion beyond the frustration at the various pronouncements by Governors who seem enchanted with their own power.

I did note that liquor sales nationwide have doubled since the lockdown. I suspect working from home for some people involves enjoying their cocktails all day long. Domestic violence calls are way up according to police. Compulsive handwashing for some has escalated as fear of catching the virus is constantly mentioned. Isolation for those in nursing homes was already a problem, and now no visitors.
People are also missing regular checkups for cancer followup and the like.

It could have been people hoarding alcohol in anticipation of the stores being shut down

[quote]It could have been people hoarding alcohol in anticipation of the stores being shut down

^^^^
That is exactly what an alcoholic would say. A perfectly reasonable explanation. Of course that is possible, but few states shut down the liquor stores.

Always good to hear from PJW

Nothing has changed between last week and this week in Florida, but Governor DeHorseshit has magnanimously announced today that we can all get haircuts on Monday, except those in Miami-Dade or Broward counties.

The powerful sedatives necessary to save coronavirus patients may also lead to a difficult recovery

After a well-earned break following six weeks treating coronavirus patients in the University Medical Center ICU, Dr. Kyle Happel, a pulmonologist and critical care medicine specialist at LSU Health Sciences Center, can't help but "chart-stalk" some of his former charges.

"You're just dying to know if they're doing well, are they still alive,” said Happel.

Many of the people he treated were on ventilators, which means that a large percentage were likely to succumb to the disease. But for those that make it, a long recovery in the hospital is likely to become an even longer recovery at home due to the excessive time spent on narcotics and breathing machines.

During normal times, patients in the ICU might stay on a ventilator for three or four days. But it is not unusual for coronavirus patients to stay on ventilators for a week or two – or, in some cases, a month or longer. And those patients are requiring massive amounts of sedatives, painkillers and paralytic drugs.

Drug trials, fewer ventilators: here's how Louisiana’s coronavirus treatments have evolved
Drug trials, fewer ventilators: here's how Louisiana’s coronavirus treatments have evolved
“The amount of sedation required to help people is astronomical and unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” said an Ochsner ICU nurse with decades of experience, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak by her employer.

For patients who spend a month or more in the ICU on unprecedented doses of drugs, the physical and mental toll of coronavirus often results in delirium – and doctors worry about the long road to real recovery. Even if coronavirus doesn’t kill patients within weeks, they could live with the effects for years.

“A lot of these folks will not be able to return to the same level of daily functionality or daily living,” said Happel. “Many times they are not going to be the same people they were before. Some might require placement in long-term acute care or skilled nursing facilities. Some may require dialysis. In survivors, there will be significant morbidity.”

According to the largest mortality study of patients with coronavirus on ventilators, the majority who go on the ventilator do not come off. Among 98 ventilated patients in the U.K., only 33 were discharged.

Other studies are even more sobering. In a small study out of China, 19 of 22 ventilated patients died.

The ventilator itself is dangerous for patients. While it can be a life-saving measure, staying on it for too long can cause complications.

“I tend to think of the ventilator as a race,” said Happel. “It’s a race for you to get off before you develop a complication: lung injury or pneumonia.”

As coronavirus patients linger on ventilators, they develop a tolerance to the drugs that allow them to permit having a plastic tube down their throat.

Fentanyl, a synthetic opioid used as both a sedative and a pain manager, has been essential.

“We used metric tons of it,” said Happel.

Some hospitals, such as Our Lady of the Lake in Baton Rouge, relaxed maximum dosing allowances for nurses because so many patients were requiring higher levels of medication.

'It’s horrendous': Louisiana coronavirus patients' final moments are often without loved ones
'It’s horrendous': Louisiana coronavirus patients' final moments are often without loved ones
"Patients are on the ventilators longer than we typically have," said Bud O'Neal, the hospital's medical director of research.

And the longer time on ventilators leads to a patient becoming accustomed to the narcotics necessary for their treatment.

“All of the opiates – fentanyl, morphine, deltoid – patients can develop tolerance,” said O'Neal, who said the hospital is still treating patients that came in during the first wave in late March. “Sometimes we do have to continually go up on the patients.”

Doctors try to give patients the bare minimum of medication in the ICU, because the powerful opiates and other narcotics are addictive and are not meant to be used long-term.

The dependency can lead to withdrawal when patients are able to slowly come off the ventilator, another difficult battle.

In March, demand for sedatives, paralytics and pain drugs surged 73% nationwide, according to Vizient, Inc., which negotiates drug prices for hospitals throughout the country. With so many patients on ventilators, hospitals in Louisiana faced shortages, too.

When the Ochsner ICU nurse tried to get fentanyl from the pharmacy, she would get a message back: “It would say there is a critical shortage and they would give you alternatives.” Instead, she and her colleagues used a more potent form of fentanyl, then switched to Dilaudid, another opiate.

"Collaborative teams ... worked together to develop treatment protocols for multiple scenarios and equal alternatives for all medications needed," according to a statement from Ochsner Health emailed by the hospital's public relations team.

Beyond withdrawal, patients also have a much higher risk for post-intensive care syndrome, a series of health problems that follow a prolonged stay. One in three patients in the ICU experience delirium, making it difficult for them to eat, sleep, think or remember where they are. The effects of high levels of sedation for a long period of time may play out for years, said Dr. E. Wesley Ely, a pulmonologist and critical care physician at Vanderbilt Medical Center.

LINK: https://www.nola.com/news/coro...96-f3a3d514362c.html

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posted 08.May.2020 16:16 Hide Post
I debated whether to start a new thread on the mental health effects of social distancing and the quarantine.
Thus far there has been little discussion beyond the frustration at the various pronouncements by Governors who seem enchanted with their own power.

A thread like this?

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/7620097764

You are late to the party. Look several posts above at 4:35pm

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They all want to bring the libtard shit they're running from with them.

That is happening all over. These asses leave places because of high taxes and other liberal crap and move to conservative states, yet they continue to push for more of the same and vote for leftist politicians in their new state. And...they all seem to run their mouth about needing to do things the way they were where they used to live. I told one guy at work a few years ago to just move the hell back where he came from if it was so great, because we don't give a damn how it was done there.