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Originally posted by sigspecops:
Last week the President was interviewed by a local talk host. He was asked about the decision to shut everything down and he said that he didn't want to and yes, the initial death projections were overblown but maybe, or even likely close to a million people could have died if we didn't close everything down.
I doubt he believes that. He can't come out and say "Damn, we fucked up people. The experts were pompous, know nothing asses. You all lost you're jobs for nothing. Sorry." I know he can't do that but at the same time, I just can't stand having that dead wrong idea being reinforced by the President. One million people were not going to die, not even remotely close to that. It just pisses me off that it's now the official propaganda.

It's not that. If Trump had done less, the Democrats and news outlets would have roasted him, day in and day out. Being an election year and all.

So, if I was to summarize y'all

What you are saying is that the Russia Collusion Hoax was not the biggest hoax of recent times

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
So hospitals get more money for COVID19 patients...

Not surprising that 'lots' of people have or die with COVID19...

The best way to increase the number of affected, by anything, is to make them eligible for some extra benefit whatever it may be.

For those in Virginia, looks like AG Barr and DOJ have finally become involved over Northam's prohibiting church attendance. Have to wait and see how it plays out but they need to step in against other states dictatorial edicts as well on this and other things.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...churches/ar-BB13yA8c

A study involving a little over 900 people from 400 households in a town from a German county that saw an early fast-spreading outbreak suggests that 15 percent of the population were infected at some point, resulting in a projected case fatality rate of 0.37 percent. That's quite close to early expectations of 0.4 based upon data from the time mainly China and some other Asian countries were affected. Significance is limited with such a small sample, but scaled up to the national level it would mean Germany has so far had 1.8 million infections rather than the ca. 166,000 confirmed; again, not too far from the suggestion that only one in ten cases is registered. The study says about 20 percent were asymptomatic, and a lot more probably never bothered to see a doctor, or were diagnosed with COVID if they did. Of course the counterpoint remains that some of the latter might have died of it and never showed up as such in statistics either.

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Trump has speculated that China could have unleashed the coronavirus due to some kind of horrible “mistake.” His intelligence agencies say they are still examining a notion put forward by the president and aides that the pandemic may have resulted from an accident at a Chinese lab.

almost

but I don't believe it was a mistake - I think it was done deliberately

the Chinese military do not make these kinds of mistakes

they knew precisely what they were doing, covered it up, allowed the massive travel between India, Italy and Spain to continue to hasten the spread and the severity

it was their attempt at biological warfare

Wonder if anyone has any good numbers on the 'testing'. Been trying to find good numbers on false positives and false negatives. I've seen (from source to source) fairly consistent NPV (Negative Predictive Value - a person testing negative being truly negative) in the 98 - 99% range. Meaning false negatives are relatively rare. But I can't find consistent data on PPV (Positive Predictive Value - a person testing positive is truly positive). Numbers I'm seeing there are all over the place. Error rates for false positives ranging from 5% to 50%. This is for the rRT-PCR testing. Haven't seen any for the other test methods.

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Originally posted by P210:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
So hospitals get more money for COVID19 patients...

Not surprising that 'lots' of people have or die with COVID19...

The best way to increase the number of affected, by anything, is to make them eligible for some extra benefit whatever it may be.

It has already happened, at least for folks under medicaid/medicare, extra 20% payment for Covid deaths. Which is why the shit, HCA hospital my wife works for, clamored for all of the local Covid patients

Man do I hate that place

I was helping some hateful old hag at work yesterday and had to listen to a 10 minute anti Trump rant. Did you guys know he singlehandedly destroyed the CDC?

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Did you guys know he singlehandedly destroyed the CDC?

He's in a trick box with Fauci. I think he should have fired the guy at least a month ago when it became apparent that these models were all wrong. But can you imagine the bad press and the little old brainwashed ladies if he fires Dr. Fauci?

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Originally posted by Leemur:
I was helping some hateful old hag at work yesterday and had to listen to a 10 minute anti Trump rant. Did you guys know he singlehandedly destroyed the CDC?

Good for him.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
So hospitals get more money for COVID19 patients...

Not surprising that 'lots' of people have or die with COVID19...

Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?

This explains why in several areas you have one hospital inundated with patients and another nearby hospital laying people off. The inundated hospital doesn't want to spread the money tree to another hospital, they would rather keep as many covid patients as possible. Nursing homes are fighting for covid patients in my area, gee I wonder why?

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Originally posted by XinTX:
Wonder if anyone has any good numbers on the 'testing'.

You are looking for specific numbers, but looking for good overall numbers on COVID-19, it isn't ever going to happen because testing isn't even close to widespread enough.

I have a good friend, a cyclist, he has been riding all over Orlando, enjoying the lower traffic volume. Last week he happened to ride by a drive through testing site. There was not a single car in line, all of the health cares workers were standing around with nothing to do, so he rode his bicycle up and asked, "Can I get tested?" The response was, "You have to make an appointment." So he pulled out his cell phone and called the appointment number. They offered him an appointment x number of days in the future. He said, "But I am here now, and there isn't a single person currently being tested." And to them, it did not matter, so he did not get tested.

The point being that testing is not widespread enough so that we will ever know what truly happened. Whether this only affected 1% of the population or 20%. Whether the death rate is .04 of infected or 3.5% of infected.

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The point being that testing is not widespread enough so that we will ever know what truly happened. Whether this only affected 1% of the population or 20%. Whether the death rate is .04 of infected or 3.5% of infected.

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Good point. Testing needs to be expanded to those who do not meet criteria. Somehow folks like Sean Payton, and Rand Paul managed to get tested even though they did not meet criteria.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
I was helping some hateful old hag at work yesterday and had to listen to a 10 minute anti Trump rant. Did you guys know he singlehandedly destroyed the CDC?

I hate hearing that shit. He proposed cutting it (Congress did not enact his suggestion). The reshuffling then takes those funds and MORE money and applies it in a different way, with a net effect of increasing finding for CDC efforts.

Even the lefty leaning Snopes, would tell your coworker to shove it up her ass.

A relative in the local medical field told me that if they admit a COVID19 patient, they get $13K from the feds.

And if that patient goes on a ventilator, they get $39K. Just like in white collar crime investigations, follow the money. Regards 18DAI

Fauci is still there because he's a moderately useful idiot

Speaking of "follow the money", just when I think that my dislike for this guy Fauci can not get any deeper....Newsweek Magazine is reporting that as head of NIH, he was responsible for giving $3.7 million of taxpayer's money to China and the very lab where all this crap started. It was not to prevent anything like this, rather to DEVELOP and study how it would spread to humans. It's hard to trust any media at all, but if true, this guy should be hung from a tree.

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A relative in the local medical field told me that if they admit a COVID19 patient, they get $13K from the feds.

And if that patient goes on a ventilator, they get $39K. Just like in white collar crime investigations, follow the money. Regards 18DA

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Rest assured that CMS will be conducting a careful audit of these cases several years down the road. Other companies will follow suit. Medical billing and coding is probably more complex than practicing medicine.

On a different note, good news from the front line in PA: "UPMC doctor argues COVID-19 not as deadly as feared, says its hospitals will shift back to normal"


Dr. Yealy, UPMC